Cyanotype over Palladium

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Dan Dozer

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Does anyone out there do Cyanotype over Palladium on a more than "every once in a while" basis. I really want to learn more with this process, and was hoping I could find someone who is pretty experienced with it to talk to off line to trade knowledge and maybe see some more example images.
 

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Sounds interesting to me. I am guessing you have to resize after the first printing. I think I would go the other way with it. Palladium over cyanotype. Though I am not sure what the palladium process would do to the cyanotype. If tannic acid turns it brown, what does potassium oxalate do to it. It just seems intuitvely logical to do the inexpensive process first and put the expensive process on top. It does sound intriguing to mix a cyan color with a very warm palladium color in a duotone print. I have a gum print like that with the sky cyan blue and the trees and ground a brown color. It is very beautiful. The guy teaching the gum workshop said I just got lucky.
Dennis
 

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Look at Kenro Izu's book blue. It is a serious of nudes platinum printed and cyanotype over them. The book is awesome. It might not help with how to do it but it can show you want to expect with the final image.
 

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Hi,

I am not saying that I have done a lot of it, but made (there was a url link here which no longer exists) with the process.

I always like duotone quality with warmer highlight and cooler shadow in prints. I also do gum over platinum which certainly gives you more option in terms of color of choice.

I printed platinum/palladium first. I think it is good idea to keep the show open at this stage since a layer of blue will significantly darken the shadow value.

I may even suggest to dilute the cyanotype solution as blue takes over the image very quickly. Again, I am saying this in context of attaining duotone prints. You can certainly go further with cyanotype like Izu's prints which are gorgeous by the way. I saw the book, but simply does not do justice.

Registration becomes an issue as the size of negatives become larger since unlike gum, the cyanotype really imprints the image. I was making prints from 3x4 so it did not create so much of problem. You can use Fabriano Artistico for it as gum over people use to avoid the problem.

If you use acid solution for cyanotype, you can create more shades in highlight. So this may be something to take into consideration depending on what you want.

What I was curious was that how this will compare to gum-over pt/pd prints. It definitely bring the Persian blue more. I would like to see if this has any effects on the smoothness of the images. It may bring more grain to the prints. Lately, I have been too preoccupied with the business, and have not printed much to be honest.

Regardless, a great thing is that you can gain the smooth tonality of platinum/palladium with a hue of deep blue.

Hope you will have fun with the process.

Warmly,
Tsuyoshi

Note on image: on screen, it may not be right in terms of color, but on print, the body has warmer as well as cooler tones in it.
 
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Dan Dozer

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Thanks for all the comments so far.

Dennis - in the reading I've done it indicated that the Cyanotype chemicals don't really like the Palladium chemicals so there might be some problems to the cyanotype image when the Palladium processing is done. I haven't tried that yet so I'm not sure on that. One thing that might prohibit it is that the Palladium sensitizer dries much more opaque than the Cyanotype does which might make registering the negative for the second exposure more difficult.

Ihartsoe - I've seen Izu's website, but haven't seen his book. I'm going to have to keep a look out for it.

Tsuyoshi - I haven't tried Gum over Platinum yet - I'll probably get there at some point. Right now, I'm still experimenting with Mike Ware's new formula. Registration for the second exposure isn't a problem so far. I'm pre-shrinking my paper first so I don't have any shrinkage problems for my 8 x 10's.


Thanks again everyone.

Dan
 
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