Cut sheets of Kodak Endura paper

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B&H still lists Endura in rolls. Given the non-standard packaging this could well be a seller who is cutting it down for resale.
This seller also shows some interesting prices on other products.
 

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At that price, it's a risk I'm willing to take. Just placed an order. Thanks for the tip.
 

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Please let us know about your results. I have been reluctant to buy rolls because I don’t use a lot of paper and don’t look forward to setting up a cutting rig in the dark.
 

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ciocc said:
At that price, it's a risk I'm willing to take. Just placed an order. Thanks for the tip.
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This is Kodak Supra Endura. The Supra version hasn't been made in years. Current Endura papers are Endura Premium and Endura Metallic.

Doesn’t mean it won't work . I've never had good luck printing on old color paper. Black and white is a different story.
The Supra was punchy higher contrast for commercial work.
Sad that Alaris doesn't cut paper in sheets.
 

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Please let us know about your results. I have been reluctant to buy rolls because I don’t use a lot of paper and don’t look forward to setting up a cutting rig in the dark.
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Will do. Probably won't be until this weekend or early next week. I blow 60 bucks in alcohol easily one night at the bars. If it doesn't work, no biggie.
 

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Kodak paper is still available in sheets! There is a company in Holland that sells them but for the life of me I cannot remember the name. I used to use the rolls of paper and they were very exonomic and better than the FUJI alternative, and they were a whole lot cheaper than FUJI as well. I made a light tight box to take a 12" wide roll with a slot at the bottom to feed the paper through and that worked very well. Sadly I have now given up colour printing so sold it on to another photographer who finds it very easy to work with.
 

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I know of no dutch firm that sells cut sheet Endura. There is Nordfoto in Germany; they cut Endura from rolls and sell it. I've bought several boxes from them but I've had problems with mild fogging with their Endura paper and not with other papers. A friend of mine didn't have this issue though, so it must be me.
 

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koraks said:
There is Nordfoto in Germany; they cut Endura from rolls and sell it.
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Not at the moment.

They only got listed a 127cm wide roll of Endura Pemier N, but they got Fuji papers in sheets and rolls.
 

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Maybe demand for Endura was too low to justify continuing the operation. Or maybe they cut a roll once in a while and sell it until it's all gone. Either way, when my cut sheet Endura runs out, I'll try to get a roll and cut it myself. I don't have issues with fogged paper on my own self-cut sheets.
 

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I bought a box last summer at Nordfoto.

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A friend of mine didn't have this issue though, so it must be me.
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If I recall correctly, then you have the mat N version whereas I have the glossy F version.. So it is likely a different batch. This is of course the downside of cutting a roll down by hand.
 

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With the Tetenal trouble the Kodak Alaris supply chain in Europe got interrupted. This may have been a reason.
 

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Will do. Probably won't be until this weekend or early next week. I blow 60 bucks in alcohol easily one night at the bars. If it doesn't work, no biggie.
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This was an impulse purchase. Now that reason has settled in, I realize now that this paper will not work for me. As someone pointed out above, this paper was designed for specific commercial applications, not the home enthusiast. It probably won't be usable due to the extreme contrast and saturation.

I will probably suck it up and buy an 8"x577' roll of Endura Premier next month and cut it down. Probably sell half of it. Part of me thinks I should support Fuji, as they continue to provide cut sheets.
 
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mard0 said:
I bought a box last summer at Nordfoto.



If I recall correctly, then you have the mat N version whereas I have the glossy F version.. So it is likely a different batch. This is of course the downside of cutting a roll down by hand.
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I have both and in varying degrees I seem to have the same fogging issue with both. It keeps puzzling me as I have excluded every factor apart from the paper, and you use paper which is likely (but not necessarily) from the same batch. Some further testing may be necessary...
 

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I bought a Box of F from Nordfoto.de last autumn. I see no fogging. But I do see something at the edge of a good part of the sheets. It looks like brown ink splots. My guess is static discharge when cutting the paper. I had some static discharge myself when taking sheets out of the packaging. However the marks should be within my 2-5mm trim, that is my final step after drying.

I used half of my 100 sheet box in a few sessions after Christmas and in the first week of the new year. Now I'll have to see how to proceed until Kodak becomes available again. First step will probably be to make smaller prints. That will require a suitable ND filter for my enlarger. I think I have a Cokin ND which I can just place on top of the holder of the red filter. After removing the red filter glass.

Maybe I should also get some Fuji in the meantime. Supposedly the lesser contrast is good for people shots.
 

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For anyone who is concerned about dealing with rolls, I must ask you to search photrio for details. Summary: measure your cutter and make tape marks. Take roll out of bag, unroll a whole bunch (I do 3 mo supply), snip with scissors, place roll back in bag and back in the frodge. Then go to work with cutter, loading up your paper safe as you go. The main drawback is it takes an hour at a shot. The upside is it’s way way cheaper, you get the sizes you actually want and weird custom ones. An 11” roll will produce 8.5 x 11, 11x14 (my go-to), and 11x11 for when I want to print square frame, and 11x17.75 to fit these weird matted frames I bought for cheap.
 

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Well folks, I received the paper today. I made a print on Fujicolor paper using one of my reference negatives, then immediately followed that up with a print on the paper I received, then immediately made another print using Fujicolor paper. I did this to make sure my chemistry hadn't changed.

For those of you who are considering buying this paper, I suggest that you don't. The batch that I received is *severely* fogged. The "white" borders are totally yellow. The "white" highlights are yellow. The odd thing is that at the edges of the paper, you can see "white" underneath, as if the yellow had been painted on and was dripping at the edges. Never having worked with fogged color paper, I suppose that's the effect.

I took the hit for you. You're welcome.
 

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Do I understand you bought defective paper designated as "new" and will leave it at this? ("it's a risk I'm willing to take.")
That would mean encouraging sellers to sell defective stuff.
 

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Do I understand you bought defective paper designated as "new" and will leave it at this? ("it's a risk I'm willing to take.")
That would mean encouraging sellers to sell defective stuff.
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I'm not sure what you're asking me. I'm not angry, if that's what you're asking me. I knew that it was possible the paper would be defective. I knew that the word "new" was meaningless in this context, as I knew the paper had been discontinued many moons ago. I had no problem spending 60 bucks to find out the condition of the paper. The ad does state there's a !00% money back guarantee if not satisfied. Are you saying that if I don't ask for my money back I'm encouraging other sellers to sell defective stuff?

At this point in my life, I've learned the hard way that there are many situations in life that just aren't worth the time and energy involved. I haven't decided yet whether this situation is one of them.
 

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Ciocc, thanks for letting us know about your results. I think I am going to start cutting my own from rolls when I get some time as I really want to try the Kodak paper.
 
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Ciocc,

Thanks for 'taking the hit'. I was curious about this paper and am the OP on the thread. I will pass on this paper.

Jason
 

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Yes,
But I agree on the latter.
 

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I overlooked that money-back guarantee.

And I agree that the term "new" is a difficult one, especially as it may have different meanings in different languages. For instance over here there is no term as "new, old stock". But nevertheless court cases have been fought here on the term "new".
 
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