Hi everybody,
I am a visual artist and researcher at the Antwerp Academy of Fine Arts, this is the second time I write here. I am working on a project that investigates the role technology and culture have in recording colors within the photographic medium. I am interested in discovering the names of the most common couplers and sensitizing dyes used in today's color negative films.
On an unfortunately deleted thread about Kodachrome...
What happened?
What happened?
Throughout the photographic industry, the couplers used by Agfa, Konica and Fuji from first production until about 1980 (E6 and C41 introduction), used a proprietary process and couplers of the Fischer design but with ballast groups by Schneider (of AGFA ANSCO in the US). These were R-CO-CH2-CO-R'SO3H types and dissolved in alkali. They were discovered in the early part of the 20th century in their unballasted forms and were improved by Schneider and his group in the 1940s. Thereafter, regardless of Schneider's contribution or where Fischer worked, they were called Fischer couplers and were first used in multilayer Agfa products and later by the Japanese companies.
Kodak researchers (primarily Hanson and Vittum) found that couplers of the type R-CO-CH2-CO-R' dissolved in a heavy oil like material gave superior imaging, ease of manufacture and allowed for multilayer slide coating. This became the industry standard with E6 and C41 processes. They were termed Kodacolor couplers.
Kodak continued to use unballasted forms of couplers following the original Fischer type in Kodachrome film until the end.
Sorry for my error or inaccuracy.
The Fischer Speier esterification made possible some of the couplers we use today as did the work he did on hydrazines. In fact, Agfa developed a complete masking system based on phenyl hydrazine derived masking dyes. The other Fischer did the dye coupler work and patented it. The two are separate but linked by chemistry and are often confused. Emil was only very indirectly connected to photography but the other, Rudolf, was directly linked. It is the latter that I am referring to and any error on my part may have confused you. For this I am sorry.
It was the "Kodachrome has been discontinued thread"
@koraks , my interest goes definitely also toward paper. I'd love to get in touch with FUJI. How could we do?
Color in photography is always an approximation, there is no direct link between the colors of the surrounding and the colors registered by the camera. Except for the Lippmann process I believe, and maybe another one that now I can't recall.
Once an emulsion is not manufactured anymore, its color palette vanishes with it. So, when photographic technologies evolve toward a more performative film (for example, Kodak Vericolor becomes Portra) we observe a technological loss.
@Rudeofus , you mean that these compounds are made for the purpose of being a photographic dye only?
So yes, every film will create a different palette, people (even those with pilot grade 20/20 vision) will perceive the same palette very differently...
As Rudeofus suggested the chemistry of couplers and color development can be overwhelming even for a chemist. You might be better off focusing your research on color science and human perception of color. This paper could be a good starting point:Unfortunately I don't have knowledge of chemistry, my background is mainly art.
I have a recurrent discusion with my girlfriend about a jacket of mine. She says it is green (kind of) and I say it is gray (kind of)...
I have a recurrent discusion with my girlfriend about a jacket of mine. She says it is green (kind of) and I say it is gray (kind of)...
You might be better off
Sounds like the sweater I'm wearing, which in insist is green, but nooooo...it's really blue, she says! However, that appears to be a different issue from actual color perception, as it seems to be more of a language thing. As far as we've been able to figure out, we do perceive the actual hue similarly.
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