You know, with 18,000 members, I have learned after reading this thread that after all is said and done, more is said than done!
PE
American beer ROCKED until there were supermarkets (and, therefore, a need to make the stuff so that it lasted 6 months in a can).
Actually, it was the Market Research industry (which sprang into power after the war) that was responsible for bland beer, and bland comestibles in general. Read Vance Packard's "Hidden Persuaders" (itself writtein in 1957, so this is not exactly news).
The MR wonks determined (whether true or not) that the post-war American palate preferred "light" beer, and "light" food (i.e., whitebread), over products with flavor. The less you could actually taste a product, the better it would sell, according to the MR boys. So, "light beer" (and I believe Packard used the term, back in '57!), and the proliferation of bland, tasteless foodstuffs foisted on an entire culture.
I must say that whether their initial observation was correct, it has certainly become correct. (I would not be surprised if their "observation" was more of a self-fulfilling prophecy.) People don't like food that they can taste!
You can wrap all sorts of words around it, nuance it to hell and back, but in the final analysis, people in this country, by and large, do NOT like food that they can taste. Given a choice between bland, flavorless food, and something with flavor, they will, based on my own observations, opt for the no-flavor stuff, declare the "with-flavor" stuff to be "too strong", "too hot", or "something wrong with it", as if flavor was an indicator of food being "off".
For variety, they will doctor their bland, tasteless food with salt. Lots of salt.
Personally, I pin the blame on the MR industry. I think that more than observe "national tastes", they shaped them. It was B.F. Skinner, I believe, who declared that companies (and governments too, if memory serves) should, rather than attempt to "give the people what they want", instead, make the people want what they've got to give them. Much better for the bottom line. (Why bother going to the trouble -- and expense -- of making your food flavorful, when you could, at a far lower cost, make the customers want food that they couldn't taste? (And for those adventerous souls who demanded a bit more, there's always the salt-shaker to liven things up!)
Beer was a natural for this kind of process. I'm not a brewer, but it seems to me that it's got to be easier (and cheaper) to produce a mild variety of horse-piss, than to create something with flavor. Think about it -- when you start giving your foods flavor, there's always the possibility that you'll end up with a bad flavor! But when the benchmark is the absence of flavor, how can you go wrong?
So, convince the teeming masses that they want stuff they can't taste -- form mass opinion by convincing the individual that "everyone else thinks this way" -- and the battle is over before it began!
The same process works in politics. Look at "push-polling" -- convince the "average voter" that "everyone else" supports the candidate/position/policy/law in question, and lo and behold he will support it too!
But getting back to beer -- I can't drink it anymore.Seems to be something wrong with a vein in the back of my skull. I get an awful migraine when I drink, so, I don't drink. But, before this happened, I used to enjoy a nice Guinness (warm), or, a decent home-made brew a friend made (a rather stout brew the name of which I have forgotten).
Imagine that, I had to get back on OFF topic!
Sorry, but while you're historically correct to a point - I do not think that your thesis is true today. The maturation of the American palate is well-documented.
You seem to be "blanding" all of America while ignoring the fact that due to maturing tastes of many of us combined with significant inflows of immigrants there are many Americans who enjoy "flavorful" food and drink.
Point in fact, for the last decade salsa sales have far outpaced sales of ketchup. Asian cuisines of various cultures, as well as Mexican and other Latino food types, are prevelant throughout the country. Regional foods such as Southern BBQ, Cajun etc. can now be found everywhere.
The very "comparative example" of this thread (i.e. "microbreweries") can be found in both urban and rural areas. I can take you to a brew pub in Manhattan tonight and in Great Barrington, MA tomorrow night. Even the most basic diners these days offer at least one or two imported brews, as well as a craft beer (e.g. Sam Adams or Anchor Steam) or two.
You may choose bland foods if you prefer - and many do. But that does not mean that the rest of us have to do so. And increasingly we don't. In fact these days, about the blandest food I eat is sushi and sashimi!
So please don't blend us all in with the bland!
I grind my own horseradish, which I grow behind the barn. Also grow hardneck garlic. I am also experimenting with some too hot to describe peppers (of the chinensis branch of the tree), which seem to be very close (or identical) to the notorious Datil peppers, grown by the Minorcans of Florida. So far I've managed to get two plants to survive two years; the "trunks" seem to be turning to wood. Eventually, they should be shrub-sized bushes with large, deadly crops hanging off their branches year round, bwaha ha ha....
The absolute hottest stuff I ever tasted (before I had a taste for the taste) was some kind of hot mango chutney made by a company named Abdul's, or something along those lines, from India.
I have not purposely eaten white bread in over 30 years.
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How about nuoc mam or kimchee? Home made saurkraut? Hot curry garlic relish? Wasabi?
One spicy thing leads to another. We have all of those in the fridge.
PE
I love crusty baguettes with melted brie. I don't class that as white bread.
Horseradish has been cultivated in Asia for years. It is a staple of the Russian Orthodox Easter celebration. The tomato was once considered a poison and a famous Victorian novel used the tomato as a poison in the telling.
Cannabis plants are the biggest cash crop in the US. See the URL I posted on the joke thread for a treat.
PE
BTW: the Western Hemisphere provided another native plant to the world of which we shouldn't be too proud because it's killed millions over the years: Tobacco
Dear All,
A very interesting thread...I will do a more detailed reply when I have some available time: One clear offer though, so many people are interested in photo coating and technology I am more than willing to arrange a full and in depth tour of our factory here in the UK, emulsion making, coating and finishing say a 6 hour tour with our experts to show and tell...
... late May or Early June would be a good time...its up to you !
Better still we can debate the future of film over lunch !
Kind Regards
Simon ILFORD Photo / HARMAN technology Limited
What also might be helpful is locating a billionaire photography collector who is passionate about traditional image making. Then get them to hire Dean Kamen and his team of geniuses at Deka Research to re-invent emulsion making and coating
I know two that might fit this bill, one is an aire to the Champion Spark Plugs fortune, the other a guy who owns the 2nd largest aircraft leasing company in the world, both passionate about photography.
They are nuts over digital, but do respect my work and might hear me out.
Why couldn't emulsion cartages be made and sold for a printer to coat media? You could print out some film then print out some paper.
Remember, you gotta keep the coated paper in
total darkness during and after the coating.
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