Considerations/features to look at when purchasing a film freezer?

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Note: I wasn't entirely sure if this should go in one of the film sections or one of the equipment sections.

I'm in the market for a small to medium sized freezer to be used to store film (and likely some food, etc.).

What are some considerations to take into account when selecting one, based upon your experience?

Any features in particular to look for?

The normal things like reliability, quality, ease of use, power efficiency, etc. are important, too. Any other pertinent comments or suggestions are welcome.

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I bought an upright 7 cubic foot freezer a few years ago for both film (lower shelves) and food (upper shelves). I've seen them on sale at our local BJs for around $150. It works just fine for both purposes. The one downside is that it is not frost-free, which means every January I empty the freezer contents into boxes, put the boxes out the door onto the deck where it's below freezing, unplug the freezer and let all the accumulated frost melt off. Start to finish it's about four hours to remove the frost buildup, dry off the interior and get it back online. So not a big deal, but my life would be a bit easier if the unit were frost-free.
 

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If you are going to put food in with film, it may make sense to put anything that might melt below the film, not above it.
The advantage of freezers that don't offer "frost free" is that they don't make use of cycling frost removing heating cycles.
A freezer that has enough room to store film in additional plastic bins is very nice.
 

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As long as the freezer has trays / baskets / bins etc which allow you to group items so that you can find them easily.

Ziploc bags are also you friends.
 

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Can I ask please, do you intend to freeze a large quantity of film and why do you want to freeze it?
 

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I have a normal chest-style freezer that stores all my film and some food. The film is stored in plastic containers or Ziplock bags either at the bottom of the freezer or in the one top-end wire basket. It's not frost-free so I keep a good eye on it and defrost before the ice builds up too much. In 20+ years, I've never had any moisture damage nor any other issues.
 

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I don’t store a lot of film so I use a dorm-sized refrigerator freezer that we bought for my daughter in college that she no longer needs.

I shoot mostly 35mm, but occasionally some 120, so I don’t need a lot of volume.
 
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Can I ask please, do you intend to freeze a large quantity of film and why do you want to freeze it?

I've been buying film for long-term storage since digital SLRs started becoming affordable and Kodak and Fuji started discontinuing film. At the time, I was a high school student. I decided back then that if I still wanted to be able to shoot certain types I had been using that were likely to be discontinued, or if I wanted to try types that were already discontinued (like Panatomic-X, for instance) I would have to freeze it. It helped that at the time there were a good number of pro and serious amateur photographers selling their unused, frozen film. I knew prices were going up continuously. I also decided back then that buying even some of the types that were still produced, made sense, because I was on a tight budget, and who knew when my favorite types would be discontinued. It would come down to being able to still shoot, or not. I'm still on a tight budget, so I'm glad I don't have to pay $16-20 per roll now all the time. I'd only be able to shoot and process 5-10 rolls a year at those prices. I still buy maybe 20-30 rolls a year now, but those are mostly less expensive types like consumer color neg, or stuff that won't keep, like high-speed film (e.g. a roll or two or Portra 800 every so often). I'm actually getting into ECN-II as well, now that there are finally some good self-processing options available. Been hoping for that for over 20 years. Not sure if I'll try E6 myself anytime soon...might keep sending it out. Also, as far as C-41 goes, I'm fortunate to have a good local lab that does it.

Additionally, when Kodachrome was in its final few years, I purchased enough to take me through to the end (Remember member PKM_25? He was shooting a huge multi-year project with it at the time. I almost got to meet him...actually talked with him on the phone once. (It was interesting to learn much later that a movie had been made about someone rushing to process the final rolls.) I got a small group at my University together to shoot Kodachrome before the deadline. It was great to see a number of people try it for the first time.) I even have a few rolls of film from the late PE in freeze.

Up until recently, I stored my film in my grandparents' freezer. They are gone now, unfortunately, so I need to find another freezer. I'm certainly not going to let it all sit out at room temperature and degrade. And I'm not going to sell it, give it away, or try shoot it all in a short time...I know it might sound selfish, but it's my film...I paid for it, stored it, and I bought it to take me through a long time period. I have more emulsion options than I would have if I hadn't started buying back then, and I can shoot and process a slightly larger quantity per year than I would be able to otherwise. It's all about the look.

That said, according to notes, I likely have at least 6 rolls, possibly more, of frozen Fujichrome Velvia 100 that I purchased in the last couple of years, and apparently will need to find soon, and shoot within the next month or so and then process. Never thought something like that would happen with such a quick deadline, but I'll figure it out and do what I have to, like others.
 
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I've been buying film for long-term storage since digital SLRs started becoming affordable and Kodak and Fuji started discontinuing film. At the time, I was a high school student. I decided back then that if I still wanted to be able to shoot certain types I had been using that were likely to be discontinued, or if I wanted to try types that were already discontinued (like Panatomic-X, for instance) I would have to freeze it. It helped that at the time there were a good number of pro and serious amateur photographers selling their unused, frozen film. I knew prices were going up continuously. I also decided back then that buying even some of the types that were still produced, made sense, because I was on a tight budget, and who knew when my favorite types would be discontinued. It would come down to being able to still shoot, or not. I'm still on a tight budget, so I'm glad I don't have to pay $16-20 per roll now all the time. I'd only be able to shoot and process 5-10 rolls a year at those prices. I still buy maybe 20-30 rolls a year now, but those are mostly less expensive types like consumer color neg, or stuff that won't keep, like high-speed film (e.g. a roll or two or Portra 800 every so often). I'm actually getting into ECN-II as well, now that there are finally some good self-processing options available. Been hoping for that for over 20 years. Not sure if I'll try E6 myself anytime soon...might keep sending it out. Also, as far as C-41 goes, I'm fortunate to have a good local lab that does it.

Additionally, when Kodachrome was in its final few years, I purchased enough to take me through to the end (Remember member PKM_25? He was shooting a huge multi-year project with it at the time. I almost got to meet him...actually talked with him on the phone once. (It was interesting to learn much later that a movie had been made about someone rushing to process the final rolls.) I got a small group at my University together to shoot Kodachrome before the deadline. It was great to see a number of people try it for the first time.) I even have a few rolls of film from the late PE in freeze.

Up until recently, I stored my film in my grandparents' freezer. They are gone now, unfortunately, so I need to find another freezer. I'm certainly not going to let it all sit out at room temperature and degrade. And I'm not going to sell it, give it away, or try shoot it all in a short time...I know it might sound selfish, but it's my film...I paid for it, stored it, and I bought it to take me through a long time period. I have more emulsion options than I would have if I hadn't started buying back then, and I can shoot and process a slightly larger quantity per year than I would be able to otherwise. It's all about the look.

That said, according to notes, I likely have at least 6 rolls, possibly more, of frozen Fujichrome Velvia 100 that I purchased in the last couple of years, and apparently will need to find soon, and shoot within the next month or so and then process. Never thought something like that would happen with such a quick deadline, but I'll figure it out and do what I have to, like others.

Thank you for taking the time to give a very comprehensive reply, it is much appreciated.
Your Kodachrome story is fantastic and having a roll or two from the late PE must be the icing on the cake.
Best of luck with your freezer search and I look forward to any other stories you may have.
 

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I was looking for a film freezer years ago and eventually decided against it. Instead I got an ordinary frost free refrigerator that I adjusted to run at 4 celcius. It seems to preserve film and paper very well.
A 100 sheet box of 4x5 Tri-X Pan Professional, expired in 1999, that has always been refrigerated still delivers occasional sheets when I need them. Film speed and base fog look to be as good as new.
Is there a definitive study that finds freezing film is dramatically better than refrigerating it over, say, a couple of decades of storage time?
 

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If you don't open the door, AND the door gaskets seal you don't have to worry about frost. I have a dedicated 20 cubic foot refrigerator/freezer. The freezer is on the bottom, quite roomy. If you buy a nice modern frost free refrigerator freezer, these units have had, for years, adaptive defrost controls. This will save defrost cycles, simple designs count door openings, if you don't open the doors, the defrost heaters stay off.
Consumer Reports is a good place to start. The ordinary white refrigerator is less likely to rust than stainless steel and faux stainless units.
 

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That said, according to notes, I likely have at least 6 rolls, possibly more, of frozen Fujichrome Velvia 100 that I purchased in the last couple of years, and apparently will need to find soon, and shoot within the next month or so and then process. Never thought something like that would happen with such a quick deadline, but I'll figure it out and do what I have to, like others.

According to a recent Instagram post, the darkroom.com plans to continue Developing Velvia 100. Check with your lab to see what their plans are. If your lab plans to continue developing this film, you may not need to rush.
 

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The only film I refrigerate is color, Ektar and I have few rolls of Porta, otherwise I buy what I can use in a few months, process and restock. If I was going to go on a buying spree would likely get a small chest freezer, frost free, use plastic trays that I could with freshest film on the bottom older on top and shoot top down.
 
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Thank you for taking the time to give a very comprehensive reply, it is much appreciated.
Your Kodachrome story is fantastic and having a roll or two from the late PE must be the icing on the cake.
Best of luck with your freezer search and I look forward to any other stories you may have.

I didn't mean to imply that the film from PE is Kodachrome...it's not. It's mostly Plus-X...my favorite black and white film. I fully intend to shoot it someday. Still holding out hope that they bring it back in the next couple of years, though. In the meantime, I have some double-x to try.

I also have Kodak b&w film from Nat Geo photog Joel Sartore, among others...not frozen. Heavily expired, but only realized after trying it. In any case, the cassettes are the old style from the 80s/90s (which I grew up seeing on the shelves of stores like Caldor) and are collectible.

Thank you.
 
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According to a recent Instagram post, the darkroom.com plans to continue Developing Velvia 100. Check with your lab to see what their plans are. If your lab plans to continue developing this film, you may not need to rush.

That would be welcome news if it pans out. Even if I had to use that particular lab, it would be worthwhile.
 

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FWIW, one of the advantages of using a freezer is that it is a readily and inexpensively obtained appliance designed to maintain its contents at a relatively constant (and usefully low) temperature. Refrigerators do that too.
Temperature control is a real advantage.
Kodak Alaris deals with this in E-30: https://imaging.kodakalaris.com/sites/default/files/wysiwyg/pro/cis_e30.pdf
 
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