Actually re-acquisition wouldn't be that important IMO.knowledge and experience based knowledge can easily be re-acquired
an eye like hcb can't
knowledge and experience based knowledge can easily be re-acquired
an eye like hcb can't
This is probably wasted ... Anyone can be taught technique, masterful composition cannot.
The question isn't one person's sense of great composition vs. another person's great sense of composition, all such unique talents should be rightly lauded. The thread has come down to the practical application of exposure, compared to the eye of a great photographer. In other words being a stop and a half out when releasing the shutter on a timeless classic photograph, against a nailed on exposure of a photographic banality. Unless someone has a densitometry fetish, there's no comparison. One is a talent that sells for thousands in the market place, the other is a technique you can pick up in an afternoon.You have your own eye, haven't you?
Enjoy your gift!
Composition IS technique
i wouldn't do it for long, being in someone else's head is enough to send the asylum, look what happened in being john malcovich !You have your own eye, haven't you?
Enjoy your gift!
Composition IS technique
In other words being a stop and a half out when releasing the shutter on a timeless classic photograph, against a nailed on exposure of a photographic banality. Unless someone has a densitometry fetish, there's no comparison. One is a talent that sells for thousands in the market place, the other is a technique you can pick up in an afternoon.
Clearly, exposure can be implicit to the aesthetic value of a shot, but composition is never superfluous to its aesthetics.
sure i have eyes but i don't do anything even remotely associated to what he was doing...
... my bad negatives ...
Why not? ...
i don't do street photography, he invented it...
Experience has shown that people who don't know the difference between art and craft cannot be taught it.Where are these rules of distintion written? Where are these rules of definition written?
Clearly not, or claims of HCB's poor technique wound render his work unprintable and unsaleable.Both are inseparable
Where are these rules of distintion written? Where are these rules of definition written?
Experience has shown that people who don't know the difference between art and craft cannot be taught it.
Anyone can be taught technique, masterful composition cannot.
Composition IS technique
Clearly, exposure can be implicit to the aesthetic value of a shot, but composition is never superfluous to its aesthetics.
Both are inseparable
Clearly not, or claims of HCB's poor technique wound render his work unprintable and unsaleable.
...???
i was respponding to your question.
i don't do street photography, i have never done street photography
HCB was a master and hte INVENTOR of street photography, sure
i would gladly give up knowing how to read a light meter to walk in his
shoes and "understand" street photography, it has nothing to do with his eyes
and loosing my "vision" but gaining perspective and understanding.
For many years Tri-X at 200 ASA was the closest thing to a universal default among photographers I knew. Another rule of thumb I use is sunny day, 100 ASA film, f8 at 1/250. That exposes for the highlights pretty well, only white surfaces in full sun blow out, and still offers shadow detail to work with. Another one is 200 ASA colour negative, summer full daylight, f2.8 at 1/2000. Down a notch to 1/1000 morning or afternoon. Nice when working with old rangefinder lenses which are slightly soft wide open and people are moving quickly, and the camera lacks a meter.Almost all of them ended up rating the film at half the box ISO and reducing the development by 20 - 25%.
Where is the exact point where a work is unprintable?
Well, that's one way to measure.Is it money that separate exposure from composition?
The important question is "why are you/they taking the picture." For example, is it to be part of a news report? To sell in a gallery? Just to enjoy the craft?
It also depends on "your/their point of view." If you are a business owner and you are hiring photographers to take pictures of babies at the local big box store, consistent exposure keeps your costs down. If you're Ansel Adams and you need to get the camera setup and 'moonrise' into the camera before the light is gone, exposure accuracy isn't the highest priority.
Well, that's one way to measure.
I do not want to divert your thread, so I stop here.
Giggle, have fun with that.I think this is already too far off from the OP question ...
I recently saw an exhibit of 60 or so of HCB's images at the SF Leica store. The prints were beautiful. Exposure originally might not have been spot on, but was clearly close enough to allow for very good prints. And they were selling for $25,000-$35,000 each. That doesn't mean that there are not HCBs photos where exposure was so bad they couldn't be printed. The world may have been deprived of even more iconic photos due to poor technique; we just have no way of telling.Clearly not, or claims of HCB's poor technique wound render his work unprintable and unsaleable.
divert/derail enjoy yourself
Giggle, have fun with that.
That's a fair point, but street photography was HCB's chosen discipline, and playing the odds may be the only way he could do it. Win some, lose some. As Garry Winogrand said, "when I'm re-loading, there's nothing going on".I recently saw an exhibit of 60 or so of HCB's images at the SF Leica store. The prints were beautiful. Exposure originally might not have been spot on, but was clearly close enough to allow for very good prints. And they were selling for $25,000-$35,000 each. That doesn't mean that there are not HCBs photos where exposure was so bad they couldn't be printed. The world may have been deprived of even more iconic photos due to poor technique; we just have no way of telling.
That's a good summation, IMO anyone who shoots live action human activity finds a 'hurry up and wait, hurry up and wait, hurry up and wait' pattern; one tries to be ready to shoot pictures and avoid reloading when life is in hurry up mode.That's a fair point, but street photography was HCB's chosen discipline, and playing the odds may be the only way he could do it. Win some, lose some. As Garry Winogrand said, "when I'm re-loading, there's nothing going on".
Ilike it to be as complicated as possible.If it's easy anybody can do it and then we don't need APUG.as we are all people who use cameras, photographers, how complicated do you make things?
in its most raw sense, photography is a very simple process. it is focusing and exposing a negative
depending on the light and what a general meter reading is. it is developing the film to make negatives
and it is exposing the negative onto paper and again developing it to make a positive print.
but it can be more than that. one can test the film, which is a stable media and doesn't really change much
it is just the light tha changes ) to learn in what light conditions how to expose the film to best catch the light.
and then test the developer through a variety of techniques and methodologies to find out which development
method works best with which film depending on the light and scene / subject, and then
how to best use available papers and develoeprs with these negatives.
it could just be point, shoot, develop, print. most people for decades did just that and they delivered
the film to a minilab, or mail order lab &c and got pretty good photographs, or pictures of memories
( kodak moments as they were called )
and as one goes up in format things become more dire and rigid because the effort and cost of materials increases.
it is obvious when we take pictures we get used to our cameras and know how they work, and if the meter inside exposes a certain way, and if we send out who prints the way we like it, or if we print ourselves what works best
but how complicated do you make it ?
i am always in awe at how complicated a simple process can become and in awe at some of the results
that come out of what could be just a simple point+shoot process.
i try my best to keep things simple but sometimes things are never as simple as you would like them to be
so you have to make-do...
what about you ?
Ilike it to be as complicated as possible.If it's easy anybody can do it and then we don't need APUG.
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