Color inkjet photo printing on a budget, is it possible at a decent quality?

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Hi there,

These days money is harder to come by. I liked the results I've gotten by sending off for the Adoramapix, now Printique photo printing service, but even when I wait for sales I'm spending around $100 for a book of 50 photos.

I am a complete beginner to inkjet photo printing. Can anyone break down the cheapest printers I can buy which still produce decent results, as well as the papers? I can't afford to spend more than a few hundred dollars. The initial setup price, as well as the price per photo, are of interest to me, as well as how they compare in price and quality to popular services. I would like to be able to print at least 10 inches, though a little more wouldn't hurt.

Or if you can point me to any other thread or site which gives a good explanation of the above.

Thank you
 

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If you intend to hang your pictures on a wall, be sure to do your homework re: durability of this or that ink type under daylight (let alone sunlight) exposure. Maybe you can't have cheap and light-fast.

Hopefully someone knowledgeable will chime in.
 
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Thank you. I'm okay with a little fading over time.
 

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Are you talking about printing books, or about individual photos, or about both?
 

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I'm okay with a little fading over time.

Inkjet dyes don't do "a little" fading. If you hang them on a wall, they may fade FAST and BADLY. I've seen inkjet prints that spent 1-2 years in a hallway with only indirect daylight and the 'black' had faded to an eggplant purple. Dyes do have the attractiveness of offering a somewhat larger gamut / higher saturation, and they're less prone to causing clogs in the inkjet head. I don't trust dyes for photo prints if they are going to be hung on a wall, or need to have a lifetime of more than a year in dark storage.

Which comes down to: I don't trust inkjet dyes, period. The problem with inkjet and dyes is that there's no real protection against environmental influences; i.e. UV light and free radicals (ozone etc.). This is different from the dyes in chemical/RA4 color paper, which are suspended in a gelatin emulsion that locks them off from environmental factors and involves a top layer with a very effective UV filter, not to mention radical scavengers and other forms of protection against aging.

Maybe I'm just getting more and more conservative as I learn more, IDK. I stick with pigment for inkjet inks.

Back to your original question: there's so much subjective about the question as well as the answers that it's impossible to give a solid answer.

I'll revert to the "forum default of answering", which is basically telling what I did and then leaving it up to you to make sense of it. I'll preface it with "anything with decent quality will cost decent money". It's certainly true for inkjet printing in my experience.

So what I did when I didn't want to spend a ton but I did want to make decent inkjet prints, was keep an eye on second websites and jump on the first pigment Epson that seemed attractive to me - which at that point happened to be a 3880. This was some 8 years ago or so. The first one I had a look at in real life had a head alignment issue, so I passed on that one. The second one was a private seller and the unit was in good shape, print quality seemed OK. The unit cost me €350, which was a good deal back then. I think these printers still go for about the same price, despite being long in the tooth by now.

Initially I just went through the inks that came with it (a bunch of half-full cartridges and the typical one or two spares for black). When the time came to purchase new ink, I bit the bullet and got a set of refillable cartridges and some 3rd party ink from InkjetMall. The initial investment was (back then) around €500 if memory serves, for the cartridges plus a batch of ink. I bought new ink a couple of times since that, but still use the cartridges since they can be refilled and reset.

Throw in some money for paper and let's say I spent €1000 in the first year or so. Print quality is good enough for me, for photos. I know I could get better, but I'd have to replace the printer, inks, everything and I'm not willing to go there.

The advantage of the printer I have is that it at least offers a couple of channels per color; it has a high- and a low density magenta and cyan, a single yellow and three densities of black, with a distinction between photo black and matte black. The different densities per color make sense; to date, I've not seen a single halfway decent color print from a printer that only uses a single channel per color. It's OK-ish, but not really 'photo quality' in my book. There are usually visible banding problems with those systems, too. On a decent paper, my old 3880 prints fine without visible banding and the inkjet dots are only visible with a magnifier; they're not obtrusively present.

I could have saved me some money if I had opted for a smaller printer. Mine prints up to A2+ and I think A3-sized printers are more easily available and cheaper as well. In terms of ink, it doesn't matter much. Ink is relatively expensive.

If you want to save money, see if you can get a second hand printer in good nick and a type that allows you to use 3rd party inks. If you stick with OEM inks, you'll spend a ton on a per-print basis. I have serious doubts about the OEM inks being demonstrably better (different gamut, more lightfast) than the good 3rd party inks like those of InkjetMall and probably (hopefully) InkOwl. Paper makes a difference too, quality- and cost wise. You can get reasonably cheap inkjet paper that produces reasonably OK prints. Really nice paper is costly; think Hahnemuhle Baryta. I think it's worth it for the few Really Nice Photos you want to print; the bulk I print on generic, mid-range paper that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. Don't expect anything except absolute crap (there's no other word for it) at the bottom end of the market price-wise, both for ink and paper.

I did shop around for a new/second hand printer some months ago when my 3880 was acting up. I was appalled at the poor availability of affordable 2nd hand printers, especially decent ones, and the relatively high prices. I ended up repairing my geriatric 3880 and continue to use it today. It's an old beater, and despite its occasional hiccups and constipations, it has served me surprisingly well given the abuse I've thrown at it.

Hope this helps in any way.
In hindsight, I think I lucked out in that I got decent/fairly good quality at a reasonable price. I wish the same to you.

PS: inkjet printing for photo books involves the challenge of making a presentable book from individually printed sheets. I have little experience in this department and insofar as I have any, it's not particularly encouraging.

PPS: lab-printed RA4 prints on decent paper (DPII, Maxima) are really quite good and probably still the best bang for your buck.
 

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I have been using one of these with Epson inks for 3 years with no problems. It will also produce a good B/W print on Epson premium semigloss paper by printing in color and setting the magenta slider to minus 5, YMMV.
 
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Thanks for the detailed answer Koraks. It's looking like at my budget that it's better if I hire it off. In a couple years I may have a darkroom that I can make prints in. What's a rough going rate for an RA4 9x12? I had trouble finding labs that were still doing this work, but I was probably searching for the wrong terms.

I don't need the photos to be in a professional looking book, I could go for some kind of album or DIY option so I just need to get the pictures onto loose paper.

I'll just be a little more selective about which photos I get large, and go small for the majority of stuff.
 

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What's a rough going rate for an RA4 9x12?

I don't know about over there in the US; here it's around €3 at a good lab on good paper (DPII).

I find the Chromogenic/RA4 printed books currently the nicest in terms of print quality; no offset screen and large gamut. They're also cost competitive. Again, that's around here. The US market is a little different.
 

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I had trouble finding labs that were still doing this work, but I was probably searching for the wrong terms.

Two labs to consider... https://www.mpix.com/photo-prints and https://bayphoto.com/prints/photographic-prints/

Haven't used either of them for RA4 prints in recent years (haven't printed anything but inkjet on my own printers recently), but when I did the quality and service was first rate.

I still use BayPhoto for specialty prints, such as prints on aluminum.
 

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Hi there,

These days money is harder to come by. I liked the results I've gotten by sending off for the Adoramapix, now Printique photo printing service, but even when I wait for sales I'm spending around $100 for a book of 50 photos.

I am a complete beginner to inkjet photo printing. Can anyone break down the cheapest printers I can buy which still produce decent results, as well as the papers? I can't afford to spend more than a few hundred dollars. The initial setup price, as well as the price per photo, are of interest to me, as well as how they compare in price and quality to popular services. I would like to be able to print at least 10 inches, though a little more wouldn't hurt.

Or if you can point me to any other thread or site which gives a good explanation of the above.

Thank you

After spending a ton of $ on equipment,ink and paper as well as a steep learning curve, I gave up on home printing. Professonal services, such as 'whitewall' do a far better job and I have no headaches with ink or equipment failures; well worth the money! Even consumer services,such as local drugstores, do a fantastic service for little $. Using local services for snapshots and professional services for the 'good stuff' is the way to go. I'm getting more and more off I-can-do-it-myself' train; life is too short for that!
 

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Two labs to consider... https://www.mpix.com/photo-prints and https://bayphoto.com/prints/photographic-prints/

Haven't used either of them for RA4 prints in recent years (haven't printed anything but inkjet on my own printers recently), but when I did the quality and service was first rate.

I still use BayPhoto for specialty prints, such as prints on aluminum.

I use MPIX regularly. I’m ordering prints today for two exhibitions next month. You can get 25% off your first order, and they run frequent sales.

I also ordered some test prints from Bay Photo a few months ago, and they were equally good.
 
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