Color/colour gallery.

[Robert Brummitt]

I thought we should have an area to discuss the work that members show.
I had commented on Mark's work before. He likes the rich deep color and use of contrast of tones. The flower image is very strong. Minds me of oil paint.
Keith's work is on the other side of the spectrum. Like the Humming bird and the Polaroid Transfer. I would say that Keith is more of the pastel side of color use.
You now get to say something, folks.

 

[keithwms]

Moi? Pastel?! I need to chew on that for a while Hadn't thought of myself that way. Especially since most of my colour work is on slide. But I see your point about contrast of tones. The images mark posted certainly make more of a statement about colour combinations.

 

[Mark Antony]

I shoot colour for Macro, flowers, and subjects with strong opposing colours. I tend to use mono a little more for graphic subjects, but hey if I get my hands on some 120 Ektar that may change. I like abstracts and experimental stuff some of it can't really be used on this site!
I really like Keiths lunar moth and the Pola shot has a soft painterly look..
Mark

 

[keithwms]

Mark this is interesting, that you specifically target opposing colours. As I think I mentioned elsewhere, I have become interested in negative colour... unmasked negative colour... and part of the attraction is the way the colours contrast with each other. I will post an example from an experiment that I hope to refine once my garden is blooming again! Interesting to me is that we don;t perceive the "real" colours as opposing each other, but when flipped to neg, well then see for yourself. But yeah I guess even with my nutty negs I am still a pastel kind of guy

But Mark, your experimental, unmentionable stuff can be used within this group, no? I'd be interested. I wish I could do ilfos here locally, but, I'm over it and have happily settled into other means.

I was active for a time at hybridphoto but the place started to annoy me with the constant scanner talk and "what scanner should I buy"... it was fairly clear that all that rot was being dumped from APUG and there was little active image discussion. I got frustrated. Hybrid shouldn't just be a repository for resolution and scanner debates.

 

[Robert Brummitt]

So Keith, are they two images samples negative work you are discussing about? Interesting. How did you do that? I maybe doing a color workshop here in Oregon and would like to share it with the students.
I am going to have samples of Polaroid/Fujiroids and hand color images that I thing are 80 to 100 years old.
Neet stuff. Very abstract

 

[keithwms]

Robert, one critique I have of those two negatives I posted is that they aren't quite abstract enough for my liking, but I am workign on it. Those two were done with normal plain-Jane neg film, fuji pro s and pro h as I recall. So they were scanned, the scan software removed the mask, and then instead of flipping them to positives I simply kept them as negs.

I have a much better method now. I have located some maskless colour neg film, the digibase stuff from Agfa. With that, the neg you get form normal c41 process is good to go. It can be scanned or it can be projected or ilfo'd or whatever. So I am eager to play with that more. I am also wondering about x-processing this digibase. Anyway I have some 'flipped' digibase stuff in the normal galleries; as positives these images have some quite interesting colour rendition:

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If you'd like to use the examples then at least let me come up with some better scans, these annoy me quite a bit!

 

[Robert Brummitt]

Interesting. What is the film again? What size format? This is film meant to be scanned?
I think your neg film idea is great to explore in.
Get me something I could share with the workshop if its ok with you.

 

[keithwms]

Rollei Digibase CN 200

I see other interesting possibilities with this film, since it is maskless c41:

*use negs as slides -> ilfochrome or scan
*x-process E6
*maybe it'd make a decent multilayer panchromatic b&w film??? Just normal b&w process?!

Sadly the format is only 120 and smaller. I asked for sheets, but they aren't coating it onto thicker bases... yet...

 

[keithwms]

Link to better crops of the two negative colour flower images...

http://keithwilliamsphoto.net/neg

 

[Mark Antony]

Here is a link to a shot done as a colour experiment. It is Neopan 400 exposed through RGB filters, the reason I don't put it in the gallery as it needs digital manipulation to get good registration in the colours. The shadow in 3 different colours is deliberate.
http://www.pbase.com/mark_antony/image/95350388

 

[Robert Brummitt]

It's pretty sharp in the flower but the stem seems to have moved. Wonder if you contact print these?
I wonder if I could do this with my 8x10 camera?

 

[Mark Antony]

The movement was deliberate, I also cast different shadows on the background with my hands so to get an imperfect result. People are aware that the photo is different without it being 'in your face' I like little imperfections.
Alas you cant contact them, I think you could project them though RGB filters, but registration and channel building are done in PS
Mark

 

[keithwms]

Mark that image is unique and it is wonderful. Keep it up!

 

[Robert Brummitt]

Mark,
Maybe you cold share how you did this? I'm in the planning stages of doing a workshop on various color techniques.

 

[Mark Antony]

Robert it's done by exposing normal B&W neg film through a Red, Green and then Blue filter. The film is developed as normal.
You then scan the film so you have 3 separate mono RGB 'channels' it is important that they all have exact pixel dimensions.
You then while the 3 are open click 'merge channels' from the dropdown in the channels pallet in PSCS, then pick merge RGB. You'll need to highlight each channel and nudge them into register (400% view works well) and obviously using a tripod during exposure helps.
I like the clouds moving, trees in the wind and waterfalls which all create colour artifacts in local areas.
Here is the blog entry with my modus:
http://photo-utopia.blogspot.com/2007_12_02_archive.html
Mark

 

[Robert Brummitt]

Like your new image in the Color gallery, Mark. Reminds me of a Edward Hopper painting.
That would be a fun assignment to do photography like a favorite painter or style you like.
Or you can say, "Robert, blow it out your hat!"
I know that one of my favorite photographers also painted. His name was Charles Steeler. He worked during the depression era.
What about you all?

 

[keithwms]

Interesting idea, you needn't blow it out your hat. I have for several years wanted to make a van Gogh-style photograph but haven't yet achieved it... and may never be able to, I suppose.

 

[Mark Antony]

Mine would be Turner, or possibly one that has a colour 'trick' like Josef Albers:
http://www.pbase.com/mark_antony/image/70646869
I might add another to the gallery soon a graffiti shot in which I hope the red writing stands out from the background, a trick done by it having a similar luminance value to the surrounding colours but a different chromatic wavelength, and even though the background is not a colour opposite the red should 'snap' just as if it were on a cyan base.
I think the science is that if the luminance is similar the brain processes the colour in a separate part of the brain from the luminance so making it stand out (hope that makes sense)
My problems are the web colours and that sRGB will clip the colours I use, my monitor is not wide gamut either so I can't be sure the target audience is seeing what I see...
Mark

 

[Robert Brummitt]

Oops! I meant Charles Sheeler not Steeler.
Here is a link to his work. http://images.google.com/images?cli...&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title

 

[Robert Brummitt]

I see that Wild Bill has a whole lot of image in the main Apug gallery. Why to go, Wild Bill.
I like the spiral snow blade image and the desert image the best.
Keep up the color work!

 

[Robert Brummitt]

Our gallery is growing and I just found out that we can leave notes and comments about each image. D'oh!
This is great! I would encouraged everyone to look at share. Don't be afraid to suggest any thoughts.

 

[Robert Brummitt]

Hey there everyone.
I have three images on the main APUG gallery. The subject was a Magnolia flower but I photographed it with three types of film and at different stages of the flowers decay.
Take a look and let me know what you think?