Classic pan 200/ 400 EIs & Developers

Lachlan Young

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• Apr 26, 2006

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As the thread I started about Bergger film seems to have suggested that the Classic pan 200 films are far superior I was wondering what sort of developers you are using and what sort of EIs you are getting.
Again, I would be interested in using this film in 35mm, 120 & 5x4 formats.

All help much appreciated,

Lachlan

 

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• Apr 26, 2006

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I really like CP 200 -- not tried the 400. It has a nice tonality and is quite grain-free.

I use it with a range of developers. The best was Adox ATM49 also known as Calbe A49. However, I've had good results with Adox ADX, Perceptol and Rodinal (although it's a bit grainy in Rodinal at 1+50).

There are figures for Classic Pan 200 on the Massive Dev Chart and they seem fairly accurate to me.

 

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• Apr 26, 2006

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I use cp 400 in 4x5 when i need the speed. Rated @400 and dunked in rodinal 1+25 for 10 min. It seems to react well to +1 and +2 developing as well.

 

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• Apr 26, 2006

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What kind of grain / tonality / quality control can we except using these films compared to, say HP5+?

 

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• Apr 26, 2006

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I don't really use HP5 so I can't compare directly.

For a while Classic Pan 200 was my main film so I have quite a few shots online that were made using it. It's not as contrasty as some other films if developed in a fine-grain developer and has more grain that Neopan 400 most of the time. But it's a solid all-round film.

This, posted in another thread, is Classic Pan 200:

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

Or these on flickr:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/85361107@N00/116420003/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/85361107@N00/116418955/

Don't know if that helps much.

 

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• Apr 26, 2006

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Does anyone know of a developer (or anything else for that matter) that makes Classic Pan 200 less likely to curl like crazy? :rolleyes:

 

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• Apr 26, 2006

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FWIW, Classic Pan sold by J&C is FOMA.

 

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• Apr 26, 2006

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J&C Classic Pan is fomapan t200? I didn't get any curl at all with mine.

What is the 400 variant? I am waiting for them to get the 5x7 back in stock so that I can order some. I need the speed sometimes.

allan

 

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• Apr 26, 2006

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No, no, no. Classic Pan, whether sold by J&C or any other dealer, is Fortepan. The only company I'm aware of rebranding Foma is Freestyle; their Arista.EDU is Forte, while Arista.EDU Ultra is Foma.

I've never used the Classic Pan in 200 speed (well, I pushed the living daylights out of two sheets in 3x4, testing a pinhole camera made from a pack-film Polaroid without risking a whole pack of Polaroid filim), but have the rest of that box and no camera to fit, and haven't bothered to get any in 4x5 or rolls), but the 400 works very well in Parodinal; I meter at EI 400, then use reduced agitation and extended development at 1:50 (I take the published Rodinal time for 1:50 and add 50%, agitating every 3rd minute instead of every minute; works on every film I've tried).

I've found the Classic Pan 400 is curlier than Kodak or Ilford films, but much less so than Lucky or Efke; about the same as Foma (at least in 120 -- haven't shot it in 35 mm).

 

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• Apr 27, 2006

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I haven't tried either of them in sheet film but have run quite a few few rolls of the classic 400 through my 35mm slr's. The film takes some getting used to. It is not at all like (in my opinion) any of the "modern" films. My first few rolls were quite unsatisfactory. Don't give up on the stuff. it is a pretty decent film. Just don't expect it to behave like (modern) Tri-X or HP5+.

Try rating it at EI 200 or 250 and backing off the recommended dev times by 25%.

 

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• Apr 27, 2006

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I love CP films. I use CP 200 in roll film rated at 160 ISO and soup it in Rodinal for 8 mins 1:25 @20 deg C in a rotary processor.

 

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• Apr 27, 2006

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I've used CP 200 and 400 in sheet film - mostly 2 1/4 x 3 1/4. I didn't care for the 200 as, IIRC, I had to rate it very close to where I rate Efke PL100 and the CP 200 didn't have the expansion/contraction ability the Efke film did.

The 400, however, I like and still use when available. It seems to have close to full emulsion speed - good with a small camera - and reasonably good expansion/contraction. Now that my back is forcing me to use the smaller cameras more, I'll be trying some in 120, too.

I use Pyrocat HD to develop - usually at 1:1:150 with minimal agitation. Sandy King has some times and comments at Michael and Paula's site. It's under the film developing portion of the Azo forum section.

juan