Cirkut No. 5 Questions

[rossn4]

Hi, I have been trying to get a Cirkut No. 5 to run and was wondering it is just a matter of rotating the on/off knob or whether some other interlock must be engaged to make the gear drive start. Right now I can wind it and I feel tension in the spring and when I screw a gear on it I can move it slightly back and forth and it does seem to engage and slightly move the other exposed shafts on the bottom which I can see slightly move but when I rotate the on/off knob nothing happens. Does anyone have an instruction manual on this camera which might give insight if I am doing anything wrong. Does the camera have to be mounted on the tripod head to work? Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Ross

 

[jamie young]

Sounds like something is broken. I assume you have the front standard open when trying I might have a instruction manual. I'll look

 

[jamie young]

I do have a manual. I'll scan when I can. Might be a day or two. I have a #5 camera and have used it as well, FYI. Email me directly if you want help. jamie@jamieyoungphoto.com

 

[frobozz]

Sounds like the motor is just stuck. Maybe the brake, which is pulled out of the way when you rotate the knob, is not releasing fully. Or maybe it's just gummed up with too much old oil, or not enough oil, or...?

Assuming the 5 is like the 10, is there a cover you can remove somewhere to expose the weighted governor assembly? Trying to turn that by hand will either verify the stuck-brake theory, or perhaps free things up if they're stuck.

Duncan

 

[c.d.ewen]

Kicking the governor's balls is a good idea, but I don't recall whether the thing turns clockwise or counterclockwise. I've tried that on a gummed up No 10 on a cold day, and still couldn't get it to start. Warmth and a cleaning was what was needed.

Charley

 

[frobozz]

Yes, if the gumming-up (or cold-related slowdown) or stuck-brake is too severe, this will not work to actually get it running. But it could point towards a solution, if you can get it to at least move at all. If you spin the governor a few spins around you should start to see perceptible motion in the takeup drum. That will let you know if you're spinning it the correct direction. And for anyone planning to take apart the motor for cleaning, this is actually a critical step (unwinding the motor by spinning the governor around by hand, no matter how long and slow the process is) because popping a wound spring canister off of the motor is not going to lead to good results - ask me how I know.

Duncan

 

[rossn4]

Thank you all for the help. I did follow the suggestions to expose the governor and tapping one of the balls caused it to start spinning away. I would be interested in seeing the instructions if you are able to get them online.
Ross

 

[Len Robertson]

The Graflex Historical Quarterly, Third Quarter 2009 has a history by the late Bill McBride that includes the #5 Cirkut: https://www.graflex.org/GHQ/

I also have a two page article Bill did on "Servicing the No. 5 Cirkut Camera". If you PM me your email address I can send you the PDF.

Len

 

[jamie young]

Bill's article is worth looking at. Can't remember the exact detail but removing the motor plate isn't completely straight forward.
Len I'm not sure whether I have that. Could I get a pdf as well jamie@jamieyoungphoto.com
Thanks!

 

[frobozz]

...and of course I'd love to post a copy to my site, if it's OK with the original author or source!

Duncan

 

[Len Robertson]

Duncan,
I just emailed you Bill's #5 Servicing article. I'm uncertain about whether you should put it up on your site or not. I think the copy I have scanned is one Bill gave me years ago. However I believe the same article was printed in the International Association of Panoramic Photographers magazine and they may feel they have a copyright claim. Bill passed away several years ago and I have no idea about contacting any of his family. Ron Klein in Alaska knew Bill a lot better than I ever did so he might have an idea on anyone to contact for permisssion. You can contact Ron through his website.

Len