Chinn Cameras

Bob Carnie · Jun 14, 2005

Jim
I am in the market for an affordable 11x14 camera , I would be looking to buy in the fall , could you pm me with any information and prices
thanks bob

Sean · Jun 15, 2005

fyi- This thread has been moderated to keep it on topic. Thanks, Sean

jp80874 · Jun 15, 2005

Sean said:
fyi- This thread has been moderated to keep it on topic. Thanks, Sean

Thank you.

John Powers

payral · Jul 29, 2005

July is almost gone.
Any news ?
Any picture ?
Any info ?

payral · Aug 1, 2005

Jeremy Moore said:
Damn sure I'm going to try out a shot!

Did you tried it, Jeremy ?

Jeremy · Aug 1, 2005

payral said:
Did you tried it, Jeremy ?

Nope, camera wasn't available to shoot.

payral · Aug 1, 2005

Jeremy Moore said:
Nope, camera wasn't available to shoot.

Thanks Jeremy.
So, if I understand well till now nobody saw any of these camera.

User Removed · Aug 3, 2005

Any new updates in the cameras? I hope things are still going well with everything.

Jorge · Aug 3, 2005

McPhotoX said:
Any new updates in the cameras? I hope things are still going well with everything.

Things are going fine, I talked to Jim this weekend and since I am looking at a 20x24 he needed to make a modification to my 12x20 camera which is already finished. IOW he needed to make sure that I would be able to swap for the bigger rear standard in the future so he was going to make a wider rail for me.

Other than that the camera is finished and I will get it in the 2nd or 3rd week of this month. I already have some 12x20 film waiting and will post a review once I have used it (probably a couple of days after I get it.)

For those of us who like to do landscape I think Jim's cameras will be a god send. My 12x20 weights 15 pounds, I suppose a 20x24 back will add about 6 to 7 pounds to the camera weight. So we are talking a 20x24 that will weight in the neighborhood of 21 to 23 pounds, compare that to a Wisner or Lotus of the same size that need a cart to be able to just move and you can see the adavantages.

So be patient, we are at the end of the road.

Bob Carnie · Aug 3, 2005

I still want to buy a 11x14 off Jim , hope to do so in the fall.

Jorge how in the hell are you processing 20x24?
Are you crazy?
Did you buy the film from Jand &C?
Are you crazy?
What truck are you going to mount this on?
Did I ask you Are you crazy?

Jorge · Aug 3, 2005

Bob Carnie said:
I still want to buy a 11x14 off Jim , hope to do so in the fall.

Jorge how in the hell are you processing 20x24?
Are you crazy?
Did you buy the film from Jand &C?
Are you crazy?
What truck are you going to mount this on?
Did I ask you Are you crazy?

LOL...process 20x24 in a Jobo drum, yep, it will be the JandC film, they are the only ones offering in this size I want to use. At 23 pounds the camera will be lighter than my Korona 12x20.....

clay · Aug 3, 2005

Jorge,

Have you done a 20x24 platinum print yet? I am finishing up two gumovers in that size right now, and the way I feel now I will never do another.. It is not just twice as hard as a 12x20. It is a lot harder. The only good thing about it is that it makes 14x17 and 12x20 seem trivial. Good luck!

Jorge said:
LOL...process 20x24 in a Jobo drum, yep, it will be the JandC film, they are the only ones offering in this size I want to use. At 23 pounds the camera will be lighter than my Korona 12x20.....

Dave Wooten · Aug 3, 2005

Clay how does the print look?

I think Iam maxed out at 7 x 17 and 14 x 17, I am new to these formats, but after working with them for several months, including a lot of "dry firing" I really enjoy them....8 x 10 seems like a compact.....I also feel working with the larger cameras has made the smaller ones less formidable...i.e. 4 x 5-8x10....If one has a hankering for the larger formats I would say jump in with both feet, arms, legs, hands, and at times a very strained back....Develope a work flo pattern,,,,after making the exposure, the lab work is another issue (as you mentioned with the 20 x 24 and you are certainly no stranger to the large formats)

...such insane joy...I like it.

Jorge · Aug 3, 2005

clay said:
Jorge,

Have you done a 20x24 platinum print yet? I am finishing up two gumovers in that size right now, and the way I feel now I will never do another.. It is not just twice as hard as a 12x20. It is a lot harder. The only good thing about it is that it makes 14x17 and 12x20 seem trivial. Good luck!

Havent done one yet Clay, waiting for the camera and looking for a lens. I imagine the problems with registration with the gum over might make this a lot harder. I think it will be fun though...

Dave Parker · Aug 3, 2005

20 x 24 is not as uncommon as you may think, I just delivered our 6th 20 x 24 screen in as many months, in fact the guy sent me a picture or two of it!

I also used to own a 20 x 24 that now resides in a museum, taking pictures again of old antiques and such.

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I am amazed at how many ULF cameras are actually out there.

Dave

Donsta · Aug 3, 2005

OMG.... I have one of those Bogen 3058 tripods and it is a beast - that camera makes it look tiny!

Bob Carnie · Aug 3, 2005

I can only imagine the type of quality that a 20x24 negative will give, I tip my hat off to you folks working with such large cameras.
I just bought a 11x14 deveere enlarger in absolute mint condition , I am hoping Jims Camera will be a good one. I am hoping to do a series of images of unusual heads . I think that I will get good subject matter at the APUG conference here in Toronto
Jorge , is that jobo drum dedicated for film? the largest Jobo film drum I have is a 16x20, If so , I will buy one, then bring your camera to Toronto and we will process on site for you as I do have a need for 20x24 processing as well.

sanking · Aug 3, 2005

Jorge said:
For those of us who like to do landscape I think Jim's cameras will be a god send. My 12x20 weights 15 pounds, I suppose a 20x24 back will add about 6 to 7 pounds to the camera weight.

If you can get a 20X24 with a total weight of 21-23 pounds that will be pretty amazing. My home-built 20X24" camera weighs over 40 lbs.

BTW, I just heard from a fellow who moved to my area of the country recently who is waiting for an Ebony 20X24". He moved over here from San Antonio and I guess had to sell the ranch to pay for something like this. I am really looking forward to seeing it. But I am sure that it will be in the 40+ pound range.

Sandy

sanking · Aug 3, 2005

clay said:
Jorge,

Have you done a 20x24 platinum print yet? I am finishing up two gumovers in that size right now, and the way I feel now I will never do another.. It is not just twice as hard as a 12x20. It is a lot harder. The only good thing about it is that it makes 14x17 and 12x20 seem trivial. Good luck!

In the section I did on UV printing sources for the second edition of Dick Arentz' book on Pt./Pd. printing there is a reproduction of a palladium print that I made from a 20X24" negative. To be frank, I don't find it all that much more difficult to process 20X24" prints than 7X17 or 12X20 prints, perhaps because I do one-tray processing which does not take up a lot more space.

However, with the weight of my camera the difficulty is getting the camera on the tripod. If the Chinn camera really weighs in the 21-23 pound range that will be a big plus for it.

Sandy

Jorge · Aug 3, 2005

sanking said:
If you can get a 20X24 with a total weight of 21-23 pounds that will be pretty amazing. My home-built 20X24" camera weights over 40 lbs.

BTW, I just heard from a fellow who moved to my area of the country recently who is waiting for an Ebony 20X24". He moved over here from San Antonio and I guess had to sell the ranch to pay for something like this. I am really looking forward to seeing it. But I am sure that it will be in the 40+ pound range.

Sandy

LOL....Sandy, does this guy take pictures or is the camera just for show? Do you have any idea how much an Ebony 20x24 would cost? I asked them about two years ago how much a 12x20 would run, $20,000! I am thinking a 20x24 should be in the $30,000 range. I see no reason to spend this kind of money in a camera. I want mine as cheap as possible, cause I use them and abuse them.

Imagine the first scratch you put on that camera...ooops..there go $5000 worth of lacquer and repair...lol......

As far as Jim's camera, I am thinking from talking to him the camera would be at most in the 28 to 30 pound range, but I doubt it. I think it will top at 25 pounds, which I think it is amazing.

Jorge · Aug 3, 2005

Bob Carnie said:
I can only imagine the type of quality that a 20x24 negative will give, I tip my hat off to you folks working with such large cameras.
I just bought a 11x14 deveere enlarger in absolute mint condition , I am hoping Jims Camera will be a good one. I am hoping to do a series of images of unusual heads . I think that I will get good subject matter at the APUG conference here in Toronto
Jorge , is that jobo drum dedicated for film? the largest Jobo film drum I have is a 16x20, If so , I will buy one, then bring your camera to Toronto and we will process on site for you as I do have a need for 20x24 processing as well.

The drum is the 3063 which should do the 20x24 prints. I am going to use the screen between the drum and the negative trick to avoid the ridges. Donald Hutton e mailed me and told me he tried developing a 12x20 in the drum without anything and that the ridges were stained just a little bit more enough that it was visible for UV exposing.

I will bring the camera, I was hoping you would do processing for me, hopefully with an APUG discount...

sanking · Aug 3, 2005

Jorge said:
LOL....Sandy, does this guy take pictures or is the camera just for show? Do you have any idea how much an Ebony 20x24 would cost? I asked them about two years ago how much a 12x20 would run, $20,000! I am thinking a 20x24 should be in the $30,000 range. I see no reason to spend this kind of money in a camera. I want mine as cheap as possible, cause I use them and abuse them.

Imagine the first scratch you put on that camera...ooops..there go $5000 worth of lacquer and repair...lol......

As far as Jim's camera, I am thinking from talking to him the camera would be at most in the 28 to 30 pound range, but I doubt it. I think it will top at 25 pounds, which I think it is amazing.

I have not seen his work but gotta assume he is interested in taking pictures. Why else would someone plop down $30-40k for a camera?

But from my perspecive in working in the field with this size camera, weight it very important, and a camera that weighs in the 25-30 pound range would be vastly easier to work with than one in the 40-50 pound range.

Sandy

Donsta · Aug 3, 2005

Bob

The 3063 drums are designed for processing sheets of paper up to 20x24. I have been experimenting with 12x20 in these drums and you really need "something" behind the film to prevent UV visible streaking (with Pyro developers anyway - I suspect you may well be fine with non-Pyro devs) - the drum has a series of ribs running lenghways along the tank - which do not seem to cause any problems. However, they also have two horizontal spaces in the ribs (in the same direction as rotation) which occassionally cause streaking - not visible until you try pushing UV light through it! I have made some inserts for 12x20 film which solves the streaking problems, but I am not sure that you could make an insert along the same lines for 20x24 as you may not have room inside the tank. The problem with the tanks appears to be a modular design where the tanks are assembled out of three tubular sections. At the join of the sections is where you have streaking - it appears that developer here runs slightly faster around the tank than in other places because of breaks in the longitudinal ribbing on the interior of the tank. This causes areas of very slightly increased density on your negatives. I should add that I have only observed this on 2 occassions out of 20, but in both cases it was very annoying (ruined two worthwhile shots). There's something very annoying about have a shot messed up in the processing when you have gone to the trouble of lugging a 12x20 to the scene of the crime, set it up etc. etc.

Bob Carnie · Aug 3, 2005

thanks for your posts guys, the 16x20 drum kit I have from Jobo does have a mesh type plastic with little rubber dinks that seem to work , I had no trouble running in HC110 when using it. I was thinking on asking Jobo to build me a 30x40 unit to process large film and be able do 20x24 as well in the same tank. I have an idea working in my head on a way to process very large film but it will take time and money to do my idea. I hope I can make the Jobo system work in the time being.

Jorge , I can be bought to process with good cold beer.

Emile de Leon · Aug 3, 2005

I just checked out the Ebony site. The 20x24 comes in at about 70lbs and the cost is $24000.00. The 11x14 looks great too but is again heavy on the pocket and on the arm! I'm eager to see how you like the Chinn 20x24 Jorge. Emile/www.deleon-ulf.com

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