CCD vs CMOS

Tom Taylor · Nov 19, 2024

Nikon 2 said:
Other thoughts…

This is from the SBIG, the preeminent CCD camera manufacturer for AP back in the day, current website:

"For years mature CCD sensor technology, embodied in our venerable STF-83ooM camera, set the standard for high sensitivity, low noise, high dynamic range, and images free of pattern noise.

The new STC-428-M scientific CMOS camera represents a major improvement over CCD technology. Compared with previous CCD models, the STC-428-M features higher sensitivity (78% QE versus 56%), significantly lower read noise (2.5 e- versus 9.3 e-), and 20X faster readout.

While a single exposure on the IMX428 sensor can equal CCD dynamic range, the combination of fast readout and very low read noise allows for stacking many shorter to produce a greater dynamic range than previously possible. The built-in StackPro™ capability can automatically divide your exposure into up to 16 shorter sub-exposures, and stack them inside the camera prior to download. This increases dynamic range without imposing greater processing requirements on the host computer."

Pieter12 · Nov 19, 2024

Nikon 2 said:
The problem I “see” is the number of different manufacturers manufacturing digital cameras to leave the buyers taking a chance and hope the colors of their purchases satisfies their taste…

A bit of research prior to making a purchase helps a lot.

wiltw · Nov 19, 2024

Nikon 2 said:
The problem I “see” is the number of different manufacturers manufacturing digital cameras to leave the buyers taking a chance and hope the colors of their purchases satisfies their taste…

It used to be that DP Review would do tests of new camera models and publish their results. Testing included images shot in their lab with standardized targets. One could see clear differences in the reproduction of hues in these images

Nikon D700

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Canon 60D

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Unfortunately these exact test shots are no longer included in their reports of newer cameras. So its is no longer possible to have side-by-side display, either to compare recent cameras with each other, or to compare the cameras of today with some cameras of old.

Pieter12 · Nov 19, 2024

Although not comprehensive or necessarily up to date, DXO Labs has tested a wide variety of cameras. They do not provide color information beyond what they deem as suitable for portrait and landscape use.
Here's their Leica page:

DXOMARK

www.dxomark.com

Mr Bill · Nov 19, 2024

Tom Taylor said:
This is from the SBIG, the preeminent CCD camera manufacturer for AP back in the day, current website:

I was wondering what "AP" was - I tend to think of it as the Associated Press organization. But to save anyone else the trouble of looking, AP seems to refer to astronomical photography. Just FYI.

Nikon 2 · Nov 19, 2024

Pieter12 said:
A bit of research prior to making a purchase helps a lot.

The main and only reason purchasing the MD 262 was the design to eliminate the LCD screen so it basically shoots like a film camera…

Pieter12 · Nov 19, 2024

Nikon 2 said:
The main and only reason purchasing the MD 262 was the design to eliminate the LCD screen so it basically shoots like a film camera…

No one is forcing you to look at the screen. I have image review turned off on my Leicas. Unless I am on an assignment, I usually do not review my images until I put the memory card in a reader. But the screen on the back of the camera makes changing functions much easier than not. And it doesn't shoot like a film camera, unless you're changing the card every 36 exposures. Never mind you don't have to cock the shutter/advance the film. But you do need to be aware of the battery charge, maybe carry a spare.

Nikon 2 · Nov 19, 2024

Pieter12 said:
No one is forcing you to look at the screen. I have image review turned off on my Leicas. Unless I am on an assignment, I usually do not review my images until I put the memory card in a reader. But the screen on the back of the camera makes changing functions much easier than not. And it doesn't shoot like a film camera, unless you're changing the card every 36 exposures. Never mind you don't have to cock the shutter/advance the film. But you do need to be aware of the battery charge, maybe carry a spare.

I’m a bit compulsive, so if I knew there is a screen even though I’d cover it will not work for me…

The battery lasts forever…

Nikon 2 · Nov 19, 2024

Nikon 2 said:
I’m a bit compulsive, so if I knew there is a screen even though I’d cover it will not work for me…

I disagree, it shoots just like a film camera in full manual mode without the film…

Nikon 2 · Nov 19, 2024

By the way, film cameras can shoot 72 half negatives, 36, 24,10, 8, and 1…

Nikon 2 · Nov 19, 2024

wiltw said:
It used to be that DP Review would do tests of new camera models and publish their results. Testing included images shot in their lab with standardized targets. One could see clear differences in the reproduction of hues in these images

Nikon D700

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Canon 60D

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Unfortunately these exact test shots are no longer included in their reports of newer cameras. So its is no longer possible to have side-by-side display, either to compare recent cameras with each other, or to compare the cameras of today with some cameras of old.

Thanks for sharing…

Sirius Glass · Nov 19, 2024

Pieter12 said:
No one is forcing you to look at the screen. I have image review turned off on my Leicas. Unless I am on an assignment, I usually do not review my images until I put the memory card in a reader. But the screen on the back of the camera makes changing functions much easier than not. And it doesn't shoot like a film camera, unless you're changing the card every 36 exposures. Never mind you don't have to cock the shutter/advance the film. But you do need to be aware of the battery charge, maybe carry a spare.

I rarely look at a screen after taking images. My film experience has taught me to know whether I got the photograph or not without looking.

Pieter12 · Nov 19, 2024

Nikon 2 said:
I disagree, it shoots just like a film camera in full manual mode without the film…

So it doesn’t take pictures?

Nikon 2 · Nov 20, 2024

Pieter12 said:
So it doesn’t take pictures?

It shoots “like a” film camera with a digital soul…

George Mann · Nov 20, 2024

Pieter12 said:
So it doesn’t take pictures?

It makes pictures.

Pieter12 · Nov 20, 2024

Nikon 2 said:
It shoots “like a” film camera with a digital soul…

Ick.

Nikon 2 · Nov 20, 2024

Pieter12 said:
Ick.

You need to know photography enough to get the picture, pun intended, without a screen…

Nikon 2 · Nov 20, 2024

George Mann said:
It makes pictures.

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Nikon 2 · Nov 20, 2024

Nikon 2 said:
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That’s why it’s called a camera…

Nikon 2 · Nov 20, 2024

Sirius Glass said:
I rarely look at a screen after taking images. My film experience has taught me to know whether I got the photograph or not without looking.

MD 262 language…

Nikon 2 · Nov 20, 2024

Tom Taylor said:
This is from the SBIG, the preeminent CCD camera manufacturer for AP back in the day, current website:

"For years mature CCD sensor technology, embodied in our venerable STF-83ooM camera, set the standard for high sensitivity, low noise, high dynamic range, and images free of pattern noise.

The new STC-428-M scientific CMOS camera represents a major improvement over CCD technology. Compared with previous CCD models, the STC-428-M features higher sensitivity (78% QE versus 56%), significantly lower read noise (2.5 e- versus 9.3 e-), and 20X faster readout.

While a single exposure on the IMX428 sensor can equal CCD dynamic range, the combination of fast readout and very low read noise allows for stacking many shorter to produce a greater dynamic range than previously possible. The built-in StackPro™ capability can automatically divide your exposure into up to 16 shorter sub-exposures, and stack them inside the camera prior to download. This increases dynamic range without imposing greater processing requirements on the host computer."

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Alan Edward Klein · Nov 20, 2024

Pieter12 said:
No one is forcing you to look at the screen. I have image review turned off on my Leicas. Unless I am on an assignment, I usually do not review my images until I put the memory card in a reader. But the screen on the back of the camera makes changing functions much easier than not. And it doesn't shoot like a film camera, unless you're changing the card every 36 exposures. Never mind you don't have to cock the shutter/advance the film. But you do need to be aware of the battery charge, maybe carry a spare.

After a while, you start to cheat.

Nikon 2 · Nov 20, 2024

Alan Edward Klein said:
After a while, you start to cheat.

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wiltw · Nov 20, 2024

Nikon 2 said:
That’s why it’s called a camera…

But the camera obscura on the west coast of San Francisco doesn't !

Sirius Glass · Nov 20, 2024

Sirius Glass said:
I rarely look at a screen after taking images. My film experience has taught me to know whether I got the photograph or not without looking.

Nikon 2 said:
MD 262 language…

And of course such behavior saves the battery.

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