Cataloguing digital and physical copies of 'keepers'.

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snusmumriken

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I have been using a period of enforced rest to tidy up the way I catalogue my (35mm) negatives. Physically, all my negatives are stored in clear plastic sleeves (Secol), one film per sheet, 270 films in total. Each film has a number, and individual frames are referenced by the film number followed by the frame number within the film: e.g. 0065_16. Although I store the whole film, the frames of interest average less than one 'keeper' per film.

Although my main focus is to make prints, I scan negatives of 'keepers' in order to share online. Up to now, the scan files have been a disorganised muddle with whatever filename the scanner gave them on the day. Occasionally I have substituted a title, but generally there was no way of knowing where to look for the negative that matches a given scanned image. I currently have almost 200 images that I regard as 'keepers', and already that is too many to search through without a system. I have now renamed all unedited scan files with the actual film and frame number. What I need next is a way to recognise the image in question (eg from a thumbnail, and/or via keywords embedded in the file) and thus find the negative number.

Now we come to the limitations of my computer and software. I am a Mac-user and for years used Aperture to edit scanned images (mainly retouching dust spots). Aperture was great because it had totally reversible editing and (if I had ever been organised enough to use it) integrated image file management. Inexplicably, Apple stopped supporting Aperture a few years back, and it became unusable in recent versions of OS-X. I can still open Aperture using Retroactive, but can no longer import or export or re-attach source files, so its edited images are irretrievable. I am very reluctant to shell out lots of money for Photoshop or Lightroom because digital images are a low priority for me, and I don't need much editing functionality. I can do all the editing I need using GIMP, which is freeware; but GIMP has the disadvantage of storing images in its own file format which isn't supported by OS-X (i.e. Finder, Preview, Photos can see the file but not read the image - so no thumbnails).

I am also reluctant to export scan files to the native Apple Photos, because Photos seems to take control of how they are stored, adds a lot of unwanted gimmickry, and pools everything together with trashy family photos and aides-memoires taken on my phone. Otherwise, the Photos software would seem to offer one solution to my problem, because it will generate pdf contact sheets annotated with the file name. I would still need an editing package, because you can't retouch dust spots in Photos. At worst, I suppose I could temporarily move file copies into Photos in order to generate those contact sheets. But there must surely be a more straightforward solution.

I would be very grateful to hear how others have solved their own cataloguing needs.



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JerseyDoug

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I use the OSX Finder to file my negative scans and contact pages.

The scans hierarchy is /Desktop/"Photos"/"Scans"/Year (yyyy)/Date (yymmdd)/File Name (from EXIF)

The contact pages hierarchy is /Desktop/"Photos"/"Contact Pages"/Year (yyyy)/Date (yy/mm/dd).

The date yymmdd is the day the roll of film was developed. On the rare occasions when I develop more than one roll on the same day I fib and date the files in numerical sequence 230323, 230324, 230325...

The physical negatives are in heavily bookmarked PrintFile ring binders, filed by the date yymmdd. The OSX Spotlight search make it very easy to find and identify individual negatives scans or contact pages.
 

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Although my main focus is to make prints, I scan negatives of 'keepers' in order to share online. Up to now, the scan files have been a disorganised muddle with whatever filename the scanner gave them on the day. Occasionally I have substituted a title, but generally there was no way of knowing where to look for the negative that matches a given scanned image.
Originally I used a simple date system for folders and images based on when they were scanned, with the date based file names applied by the scanning software. This keeps things organized chronologically but doesn't help you find collections of images or direct you to your negative. I may remember that I took a great pic of Sally the dog in 2015 for instance but I would still be in for a hunt to find what I was after.

Using keywords added to automated date based file and folder names really helps. It takes time but it's worth it, and can be automated. The same approach can direct you to the physical negative as well if you want to get that involved. I suggest researching Automator and Shortcuts, both found in your Applications folder. The same goes for Tags, which can be renamed to suit your purposes.
 
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Originally I used a simple date system for folders and images based on when they were scanned, with the date based file names applied by the scanning software. This keeps things organized chronologically but doesn't help you find collections of images or direct you to your negative. I may remember that I took a great pic of Sally the dog in 2015 for instance but I would still be in for a hunt to find what I was after.

Using keywords added to automated date based file and folder names really helps. It takes time but it's worth it, and can be automated. The same approach can direct you to the physical negative as well if you want to get that involved. I suggest researching Automator and Shortcuts, both found in your Applications folder. The same goes for Tags, which can be renamed to suit your purposes.

Thanks, searching for Sally the dog is exactly the problem. The file structure I have established post-Aperture is similar to what @JerseyDoug described, but even with contact sheets indexed in the same way, searching for a mental image isn’t an easy task.

I had already been looking into Automator and using tags, also doing batch updates to file metadata in GIMP. Annoyingly, the latter won’t work in the latest Mac OS-X Catalina. Otherwise that would seem useful to attach copyright info, title, etc as well as keywords, in a way that’s both searchable in Finder and visible to others. I don’t know how/where file tags are attached, but assume they are functional only within the home operating system?

Photos 8.0 running on my MacBook does have a Retouch function under Edit. I find it works rather well.
Thanks, I hadn’t spotted that.
 
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