Canon and their "Pro" Bodies

CMoore · Sep 16, 2018

I realize a professional photographer can use ANY camera, but for lack of a better term.......did Canon make a Pro Body after the F1-New.?
Was the T-90 looked on as a pro camera.....did many News/Journalists people start using the T-90.?

I am not at all familiar with the EO or EOS cameras.....perhaps professionals DID use those after Auto Focus got rolling.?
Thank You

Poisson Du Jour · Sep 16, 2018

CMoore said:
I realize a professional photographer can use ANY camera, but for lack of a better term.......did Canon make a Pro Body after the F1-New.?
Was the T-90 looked on as a pro camera.....did many News/Journalists people start using the T-90.?

I am not at all familiar with the EO or EOS cameras.....perhaps professionals DID use those after Auto Focus got rolling.?
Thank You

The T90 was positioned as an advanced amateur SLR and was the last before Canon shifted to the all electronic EF mount. I don't know if journalists used the T90, but I know cyclists, rock climbers, skiiers, kayakers and even Everest summiters who took a T90 with them! I used one for a couple of years with the highly-fancied 35-105mm f3.5 zoom.

In answer to the second query, yes.
AF virtually rang the death knell for manual focus, but at that time it was in need of improvement (speed, accuracy).
Canon's first pro-level SLR in the EOS line was the EOS 1, and it was the extensive feedback from active professionals (in media, sports) that saw so many refinements and upgrades that came out in the EOS 1N in 1994, retailing at AUD$3,999 body only. AF speed (AI-servo, particularly: follow-lock subject) was good but limited in spread on the 1, but several times better on the 1N with greatly revised algorithms linked to 5 focusing/prime metering points instead of 3, 16-zone evaluative metering and optimisation (backward and well as forward) of L-series lenses that were available at the time, and coming out in the future. That is the reason why such an old camera works so well with all of the incarnations of the L-series lenses.

Not many T90 cameras are seen today. I have not seen any for a couple of years. Their advanced age and legacy problems probably deter many people, but they can be fun to use as a way of exploring how these top-level cameras of the day worked a long, long time before the fast, highly automated beasts we have today (which are also quieter than the T90!). Still plenty of manual focus FD lenses out there though.

foc · Sep 16, 2018

I shot professionally for 10 years with a Canon Eos 1 , from early 1990's till early 2000's. Previously I had used Olympus OM4ti so it was a complete system change.

The Eos 1 was a great work horse and the L lenses a pure delight to use. What struck me was the build quality of the Eos 1. It had rubber seals on the buttons so it was splash proof and could take some rain (I live in Ireland so it was tested good) and the most important thing, it always worked. In the 10 years I shot with it, I never has one problem. (ok I had it serviced every year). Infact I still have it and it still works.

Toyo · Sep 16, 2018

As ~Garyh has said, the T90 was an advanced amateur camera and a very good one at that.
I could not afford one at the time of its release and continued to shoot with my FTb and EF.
I bought one about five years ago when they were almost being given away and it performs faultlessly to this day.
Interestingly so do the FTb and EF, but the EF get less use now.
An excellent camera if you can find one
T

chriscrawfordphoto · Sep 16, 2018

CMoore said:
I realize a professional photographer can use ANY camera, but for lack of a better term.......did Canon make a Pro Body after the F1-New.?
Was the T-90 looked on as a pro camera.....did many News/Journalists people start using the T-90.?

I am not at all familiar with the EO or EOS cameras.....perhaps professionals DID use those after Auto Focus got rolling.?
Thank You

Chip,

The EOS pro bodies are what made Canon THE professional cameras from about 1990 onward. During the manual focus era, Nikon ruled, but Canon's AF system was better in the early AF cameras and they really took over the pro market. So, yeah, pros definitely used AF cameras!

Chan Tran · Sep 16, 2018

CMoore said:
I realize a professional photographer can use ANY camera, but for lack of a better term.......did Canon make a Pro Body after the F1-New.?
Was the T-90 looked on as a pro camera.....did many News/Journalists people start using the T-90.?

I am not at all familiar with the EO or EOS cameras.....perhaps professionals DID use those after Auto Focus got rolling.?
Thank You

If you consider only Canon FD then the new F1 was the last. I wouldn't consider the T90 as a pro camera. If you consider the EOS too then all versions of the EOS-1 are pro cameras. EOS-1, EOS-1N and EOS-1V.

CMoore · Sep 16, 2018

Thanks Again for all the great info.
I guess the T-90 came along at an odd time, at the cross roads, (especially for Canon) the beginning of the AF period for cameras. Perhaps Canon were looking forward at that point. Not sure how many T-90 they sold. Perhaps it was a success...a money maker for Canon, like the A-series were.?

chriscrawfordphoto said:
Chip,
The EOS pro bodies are what made Canon THE professional cameras from about 1990 onward. During the manual focus era, Nikon ruled, but Canon's AF system was better in the early AF cameras and they really took over the pro market. So, yeah, pros definitely used AF cameras!

That IS interesting. My son was born in 1987 and i was no longer "into" photography. When i DID return just a few years ago, i kind of picked up where i had left off. I never really knew about the Canon EF Mount Bodies. I skipped over them again when i started back just recently.....i picked up with the FD mount cameras again.
I never realized the Success/Impact Canon had with the EOS Bodies.
Nikon was king when i stopped shooting.....circa 1985.

Ko.Fe. · Sep 16, 2018

I know nothing about Canon T90. Sounds like soviet tank to me. But I owned briefly Canon EOS full body SLR which was just as professional as current 1 series of Canon. Except it was film and with eye focus option.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EOS-3
I didn't have one like in the link, but body with dual grip. It was huge and heavy, maybe I'll get one less professional with regular body.
It should pair nicely with my 16-35L professional zoom, which is on EOS300 for now and its plastic lens mount is not giving me enough confidence.

Paul Howell · Sep 16, 2018

Poisson Du Jour said:
The T90 was positioned as an advanced amateur SLR and was the last before Canon shifted to the all electronic EF mount. I don't know if journalists used the T90, but I know cyclists, rock climbers, skiiers, kayakers and even Everest summiters who took a T90 with them! I used one for a couple of years with the highly-fancied 35-105mm f3.5 zoom.

The T90 was used by PJs, it was the top of the line ody, production was short, it was replaced with a year or so by the EOS system. It had integrated film advance, 5FPS, 8 exposure mode and for the time a very good metering system, all metal, it was in my view a step above the F1new. The feature that the F1new had was interchangeable viewfinders, which most pro did not need or want. The advanced pro consumer body was the T70 with the T50 as entry level.

benjiboy · Sep 16, 2018

[QUOT, all metal, it was in my view a step above the F1new. E="Paul Howell, post: 2114717, member: 3862"][/QUOTE]

I owned a Canon T90 for about 25 years I sold it a couple of months ago it certainly wasn't "all metal" or it would have been too heavy to pick up, I have also owned three Canon New F1's for the same period of time they are "all metal" and have been supremely reliable. I always felt that the T90 was a gee-whiz camera whose specifications were drawn up by The Canon Corporation's advertising agency to blind the man in the street with science to encourage him to buy them. My T90 never gave me the feeling of confidence that the New F1s did and still do that I would come back with pictures and not excuses which I.M.O is what a professional camera should do

AgX · Sep 16, 2018

The T90 was advertized as "a catalist for the creative mind". Its main feature was its exposing meter, with features likely redundant for the average news photographer, but interesting for the rest of photojournalist.
I think an important point is that professional photographers do not buy a new camera each year anbd the T90 was only on the market for about one year.

Poisson Du Jour · Sep 16, 2018

AgX said:
The T90 was advertized as "a catalist for the creative mind".

Well, a lot of the time that wasn't my state of mind free-wheeling down hills on my bike with a broken chain (re-linked with florist wire...), one operating brake ("where did my brake shoes go to??") and panniers akimbo. No matter, all in the name of "adventure"!! A clear recollection in memory last night has it that I summited my home State's tallest mountain, Mount Bogong (1,986m) in 1988, toting the "bloody heavy!" (the righteous opinion of the walk leader) T90 and 35-105mm zoom while everybody else had tiny Ricoh or Olympus rangefinders! Another recollection has me clambering up cliffs in the Grampians in the winter of 1987, which would be soon after I bought the camera.

In 1992 I summited the Bogong (aboriginal name for "Big Fella") again, but that time it was with a Minolta Dynax 9000i -- the least pleasing of any "futuristic" camera, keeping it for all of 2 months before moving to an FE2!

Gary and T90,
Briggs Bluff, the Grampians 1987

benjiboy · Sep 22, 2018

If you are referring to the Canon FD range of cameras Chip, the only three truly professional FD mount cameras they ever made were, the original F1, the F1n ( an improved version of the original ) and the New F1( a completely different updated camera ) the Canon Corporation's philosophy was to bring out a new pro model every ten years to keep up with the technological advances in the intervening years but after the New F1 the FD mount was dropped and the subsequent pro cameras were autofocus.

CMoore · Sep 22, 2018

Yeah, exactly....The FD Mount.
What would have been the first "Pro Body" EOS camera.

benjiboy · Sep 22, 2018

CMoore said:
Yeah, exactly....The FD Mount.
What would have been the first "Pro Body" EOS camera.

Sorry, I can't help you there I don't know anything about Canon AF S.L.R.s the F1s were all the cameras I ever needed but I'm sure someone else will tell you.

abruzzi · Sep 22, 2018

CMoore said:
Yeah, exactly....The FD Mount.
What would have been the first "Pro Body" EOS camera.

Probably the EOS-1, though I don’t know Canon very well.

Alan Gales · Sep 22, 2018

In the past, I've seen wedding photographers shoot the wedding with a medium format camera and then shoot the reception with a Canon AE-1 Program.

Does that count?

jjphoto · Sep 22, 2018

The eos1V is one of the best film bodies ever made . I had two until recently, bought new in 2003. I meant to sell both but couldn't do it so kept one, even though unlikely to use it again. Superb camera .

Theo Sulphate · Sep 22, 2018

benjiboy said:
... I always felt that the T90 was a gee-whiz camera whose specifications were drawn up by The Canon Corporation's advertising agency ...

That would explain the advertising which is scribbled on the front of the pentaprism next to "Canon T90":

MULTIPLE METERING SYSTEM
COMPUTERIZED 3 MOTOR CONTROL

I've always thought it nice that Leica kept even their name discreet and off the front of the camera until the M5.

Poisson Du Jour · Sep 22, 2018

Theo Sulphate said:
That would explain the advertising which is scribbled on the front of the pentaprism next to "Canon T90":

MULTIPLE METERING SYSTEM
COMPUTERIZED 3 MOTOR CONTROL

I've always thought it nice that Leica kept even their name discreet and off the front of the camera until the M5.

Like many statements of the era, the imprint on the T90 (and T70) was like a trumpet on the ear: loud, proud and, today in hindsight, cringeworthy, but still typical of that time.
Nikon's brutal answer to the T90 was the F-801 and then the impressive F90X, both of which had a big following here in Australia and New Zealand, particularly among rock climbers and photographers producing work for magazines shooting slide film.

A beautiful fully-overhauled T90 is listed on eBay (USA) presently. All the glitches that befell the camera have been addressed in the CLA (internal battery, shutter lock, etc.)

===> https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/113234394424

CMoore · Sep 22, 2018

jjphoto said:
The eos1V is one of the best film bodies ever made . I had two until recently, bought new in 2003. I meant to sell both but couldn't do it so kept one, even though unlikely to use it again. Superb camera .

I am pretty much ignorant of anything Canon that is post FD Mount.
That said, i have always heard good things about those cameras...i think.
I believe they had a few of those EOS-1 series.?
Just curious.....were they a Good/Decent manual focus camera.?

Theo Sulphate · Sep 22, 2018

CMoore said:
I am pretty much ignorant of anything Canon that is post FD Mount.
That said, i have always heard good things about those cameras...i think.
...

In 1987 Canon risked everything by abandoning the FD mount as their future direction. They still made FD cameras and lenses for a while, but the FD mount clearly was finished. I wish I could've heard and understood the boardroom discussion when that decision was made.

But the EOS cameras and EF lenses were a spectacular success for them, as history has proven.

You can take the earliest EF lenses of 1987 and use them on the latest EOS DSLR today with perfect compatibility. Likewise, you can take the earliest EOS camera, the 650 (followed by the 620), and use the latest EF lenses on it with perfect compatibility.

We are now at another historic point for both the Nikon F mount and the Canon EF mount because those mounts are now at the end of their reign. Future development at Nikon will be with the Z mount having priority and, at Canon, the RF mount.

jjphoto · Sep 22, 2018

CMoore said:
I am pretty much ignorant of anything Canon that is post FD Mount.
That said, i have always heard good things about those cameras...i think.
I believe they had a few of those EOS-1 series.?
Just curious.....were they a Good/Decent manual focus camera.?

The EOS1V has interchangeable focusing screens which can be changed to suit the application or lens. They are a superb camera with a big bright viewfinder which is easy to focus accurately. It's not like modern digital bodies which almost universally have rubbish viewfinders, short of the pro bodies, which are almost impossible to focus accurately. Although the EOS1V is an AF camera it is designed for manual focusing because it has to do that well. They cost a bomb when new, about AUD$5K in the early 2000's.

CMoore · Sep 22, 2018

jjphoto said:
They cost a bomb when new, about AUD$5K in the early 2000's.

Holy Cow.....that is quite a bit of money in 2018, isn't it.,?
Pardon me, i am just a stupid American. ....but what is that.....about 3700-3800 in USD.?

Poisson Du Jour · Sep 22, 2018

CMoore said:
Holy Cow.....that is quite a bit of money in 2018, isn't it.,?
Pardon me, i am just a stupid American. ....but what is that.....about 3700-3800 in USD.?

About $2,780, if you mean Australian dollars ===> US dollars.
All the big, pro-level EOS bodies are cheap on the used market now; an EOS 1V listed locally near me went for $630 with the power drive booster E-1!! When new in the early 2000s this would be close to $6,000, body only, meaning you cough up a few more thousands of dolars for your first (then 6 more) L-series lens to show the crowd you do indeed mean business!!

The 1V is too big and overly-heavy for my small hands, which is the reason my EOS1N ($4,000 new in 1994) isn't going anywhere!!

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