Canon 50/1.4 LTM crazy field curvature - normal?

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Hi all,

I just received a Canon 50/1.4 LTM, and, first of all, I'm already sending it back thanks to another issue. So this isn't a "should I keep the lens" thread! It's more of a "should I bother trying another one" thread.

Basically, the thing has all sorts of focal plane issues, and I'm wondering how common they are in other copies. The big one is field curvature that I could best describe as "mustache shaped." Though I know that that's usually reserved for distortion, so maybe I'd say it's shaped more like...a ripple in a glass of water? Dramatic backfocus in the center that curves back toward the camera as it moves outward, then into the distance again at the edges. The effect is somewhat visible in these two shots - the tree, as well, is totally out of whack, with the bottom in focus and the rest of it a blur. Both are at f/4 at slightly different focus distances.

Now, I'm definitely not ruling out the camera being somewhat at fault here. The lens does focus well past infinity on it, which could be down to an issue with the mount. However, the weird curvature is still present on my digital camera (which is APS-C and therefore not wholly useful here), and a 35mm lens I have seems to do alright with infinity focus.

So...anyone have any experience with the lens? If I try another one, am I likely to be equally disappointed? I've perused Flickr a bit, and the results have been kind of inconclusive, with a couple of hints here and there that it might not be unique to my copy. There's one person with a set of sample shots that definitely seem a lot better than mine, but you never know. I definitely don't need pixel-peeping quality out of a film setup, but I find unevenness really distracting.

Oh, and might there be a diffference between the two versions, even though they seem to have the same optical design?

Thanks!
 
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I was thinking the same thing, and I hope it's true because I would definitely like to own one of these without the problem. There are some strange coating issues on the interior elements of mine, so it definitely stands to reason that somebody disassembled the lens in an attempt to clean it out.
 

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FWIW another LTM lens of the same vintage that does not have such problems is the Nikkor-SC, a 50/1.4 lens of legendary build and performance. The SC focuses down to 18 inches and renders beautifully at wide apertures. Nippon Kogaku also built a 50/2 collapsible version that loses a stop and the close-focus feature but otherwise performs similarly to the SC.
 

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A clean Nikkor-SC 50/1.4 in LTM will be at least twice the price of Canon 50/1.4.

Collapsible Nikkor-HC 50/2.0 is pretty rare and very expensive. Non-collapsible version is great and probably in price range of Canon 50/1.4 (it also focuses down to 0.5m). You need not to be bothered with different ergonomics of Nikkor LTM lenses, though (aperture ring turning the wrong way, "bump" at focusing past 1m, heavy, focus shift...).
 
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Sigh, the Nikkors look beautiful - just way outside my budget range!
 

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I have a Canon 50 1.4 LTM i use on film Leicas and have not encountered the issue you describe.
 
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Collapsible Nikkor-HC 50/2.0 is pretty rare and very expensive.

Really?! When I was shooting 35mm, they were pretty easy to find cheap. A couple of Barnack knockoff cameras, the "Nicca" and the "Tower" (from Sears), both came with the Nikkor-HC 50/2.0 lens in LTM mount. You can buy the camera and lens for well under $300, keep the lens and resell the body.
 
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Really?! When I was shooting 35mm, they were pretty easy to find cheap. A couple of Barnack knockoff cameras, the "Nicca" and the "Tower" (from Sears), both came with the Nikkor-HC 50/2.0 lens in LTM mount. You can buy the camera and lens for well under $300, keep the lens and resell the body.

Seems like this holds true for the non-collapsible version only. How does that one hold up?
 

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Non-collapsible Nikkor-H.C 50/2 is great! As said, it is a bit special, though...

aperture ring turning the wrong way, "bump" at focusing past 1m (you can remove that), heavy, focus shift...
 

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Seems like this holds true for the non-collapsible version only. How does that one hold up?

I got my collapsible on a Nicca. But that was a long time ago. The optics on both are the same, I think — the lens is a great performer.
 

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The collapsible Nikkor is a wonderful lens.
The Canon 50 f1.4 LTM is too - I never detected any weirdness with that lens. i think your copy was bad. My only issue with it was the very long focus throw.
 

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My experience with the Canon 50 f/1.4: excellent lens in all ways with no obvious distortion issues.


My 5 cm f/2 Summitar lens: serious field curvature. Use it in the right settings.
 

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Another budget (in Leica universe) fast 50mm LTM lens is the first version of Voigländer Nokton 50/1.5.
 
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I have a 50/1.4 and it is a great lens. There was something seriously wrong with the one you returned. Like others have said, some jabronie probably took it apart and didn't know what he was doing. The Canon 50 f/1.8 is an option for you as well if you are concerned about budget. There is a reason why the Canon pair are sometimes called the Japanese Summilux/Summicron. My only gripes with the f/1.4 are the long focus throw and the 1 meter minimum distance. If it had a shorter focus throw and focused closer it would be one of the all time best rangefinder lenses and probably cost three times as much.

The Canon 50 is going to be good all around and is a Planar design. The Nikons were Sonnar designs and optimized for closer distances. If you are planning on shooting people for example then they are great lenses. I've often thought about getting one specifically for that alone. The f/1.4 is soft wide open though which kind of defeats the point of it. Might as well just get the f/2 and save some money. If you want a 1.5 Sonnar then Canon made one. IIRC it is better than the Nikon wide open, so it is a better choice in low light.

Like Brbo said, the Voigtlander is a definite option. And the Jupiter 3. I'd say if you want a modern lens then the Voigtlander is the one. Beyond that, the Canon would be my pick, then the Nikon (unless you will be shooting mostly people, then get the Nikon). The Jupiter 3 is a fun lens but it has some issues that you probably won't want to deal with yourself. If you find one that has already been adjusted then it is a good lens if you like the Sonnar look.
 

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The Nikons were Sonnar designs and optimized for closer distances.

And also for shooting at wider apertures. Wide open it is a bit soft and hard to keep both eyes (in portraiture) in focus. I would shoot it at f/2.8-ish -- just enough to increase sharpness and keep eyes in focus, without destroying the unique signature of the lens.
 

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I have a fast lens and at least one smaller lighter slower lens in several focal lengths**. The only reason I put one of the faster lenses on a camera is to use it wide open. Carrying around a fast lens and not using it wide open makes no sense to me.

** 35/1.7 Voigtländer, 35/2.5 Nikkor, 50/1.4 Canon, 50/2.8 Elmar, 85/1.9 Canon, 90/4 Elmar.
 

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I have a fast lens and at least one smaller lighter slower lens in several focal lengths**. The only reason I put one of the faster lenses on a camera is to use it wide open. Carrying around a fast lens and not using it wide open makes no sense to me.

Most lenses improve dramatically when stopped down a stop or two. You should therefore obtain better results from an f/1.4 lens stopped down to f/2.8, than from an f/2.8 lens shot wide open. I am sure there are exceptions (and I believe the 50/2 Nikkor-HC is one) but I believe the general proposition is correct.
 
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