There is no such thing as "THE viewer".
And, in this instance, many viewers (each of which is a "the viewer") find the work .... lacking.
Furthermore, for an artist creating a work, there is an idealized "the viewer" who has a certain idealized capacity for appreciation.
maybe he also put this picture into the book to give the audience what they don`t expect. To break the pattern, so to say.
That seems an unfortunately sour place in which to leave this thread for posterity, so let me return to the subject. Here’s another landscape from the collection referenced in post #1. The notes just say “Hungary 1965“, so I assume it has nothing to do with his wife or imprisonment. It doesn’t impress me, but evidently HCB wanted us to see it, so I want to understand why.Once again I'm left out, being "another viewer" who happens to appreciate this photograph. Which is evidently all wrong, wrong, wrong, because the work is "lacking", as is evidently my sophistication as a viewer. Dear me, dare I ever set foot in a gallery or museum again? Apart from THE art, I may be confronted with THE viewer. The horror!
He threw a turd at us so a bunch of amateur darkroom enthusiasts with a collection of moldy cameras could debate whether it's good or not, and in the process unmask the charlatan. HCB is chuckling in his grave.
Once again I'm left out, being "another viewer" who happens to appreciate this photograph. Which is evidently all wrong, wrong, wrong, because the work is "lacking", as is evidently my sophistication as a viewer.
Aesthetics is only a part of one's rapport with artistic works
Well, since 2A was my starting position for this thread, I could feel quite offended! I disagree, anyway. What would be the point of discussing only works that one likes/understands?(1) You like it.
(2) You don't.
(A) Spend more time with it.
(B) Move on, spend time elsewhere.
1A and 2B are generally problem-free combinations. 2A tends to leave threads ending on a sour note, but it's the fabric much of forums are made of. 1B may not make the most of joys discovered, but at least holds the promise of other joys.
Well, since 2A was my starting position for this thread, I could feel quite offended!
There's at least as much a point to it as to discussing things we don't like or understand, I think. Moreover, there's a big difference between 'like' and 'understand' especially in this context.What would be the point of discussing only works that one likes/understands?
And, in this instance, many viewers (each of which is a "the viewer") find the work .... lacking.
For the most part, I don't care if anyone likes or dislikes anything.
This baffles me. I can see that a worthwhile artefact doesn’t have to be likeable (it could be shocking, for instance); but if someone - anyone - does like the piece, then it is surely worthwhile?For the most part, I don't care if anyone likes or dislikes anything. It really has nothing to do with whether or not the thing in question is worthwhile.
I'm not stopping now!
Found the actual location. It's called Chouzy-sur-Cissé. And Chouzy-sur-Cissé is the village where his wife, Ratna Mohini, hid during the war and where he reunited with her after escaping the German camp.
In the MoMA book titled The Modern Century, the photo is dated 1944, not 1946, so this photo might actually have been taken at that moment when he finally reached the place in wich she was hiding, wich, if the case, makes it very moving.
Will try to confirm if I find another source.
Matt, you have just reminded me, how in my younger days when I use to smoke, how after consuming a beautiful meal in Paris, how wonderful it was to smoke a Galoise with a rich glass of red wine.
So, 'we' find the work 'lacking', but that doesn't say anything about anyone liking anything.
if someone - anyone - does like the piece, then it is surely worthwhile?
I questioned the value of a photograph posted by a member here and was criticized harshly for doing it. I guess it's only fair when it's HCB. And BTW, I'm having a gallery show at the moment. Does that count as a "particular feat"?I find it all very odd. Here we are, a couple of (mostly) amateur photographers with (mostly) no particular feats to our names in terms of artistry or an art-related field, arguing with an apparent matter-of-factness that a certain piece lacks value,
I find it all very odd. Here we are, a couple of (mostly) amateur photographers with (mostly) no particular feats to our names in terms of artistry or an art-related field, arguing with an apparent matter-of-factness that a certain piece lacks value, and even extending that judgement with a certain finality to a larger population. What can I say....I just hope that whenever I find myself in the vicinity of artefacts that may or may not be art, I will also be in the presence of one of the enlightened souls that can guide my appreciation and dictate to me which works I should value, and which ones I'm allowed to like.
Have to say, I don’t understand you. Nobody is telling you what to like or dislike. But it’s perfectly reasonable to say, “I don’t really appreciate this particular photo, yet the photographer - whom I greatly admire - wanted to show it. Maybe if others can tell me what they see in it, I will appreciate it more. Or maybe, given more information, I may understand why the photographer wanted to show it.”
Here we are, a couple of (mostly) amateur photographers with (mostly) no particular feats to our names in terms of artistry or an art-related field, arguing with an apparent matter-of-factness that a certain piece lacks value, and even extending that judgement with a certain finality to a larger population.
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