How can I talk about the original? I never saw it. I was looking at the one posted by the OP. There's no way for me to know that it was a poorly copied version. If the original looked like that, it should not have made it into the book.
You specifically said "shouldn't be included in a book." That does not sound like you're talking about the posted photo, but the original.
How can I talk about the original? I never saw it. I was looking at the one posted by the OP. There's no way for me to know that it was a poorly copied version. If the original looked like that, it should not have made it into the book.
I think, in a competition between two flavours of mud, mud is ultimately chosen.
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... and it seems that HCB did chose this one. At least in this 79 exhibition.
In the end it does show that he also tried several things, carefully. This (these) is not a snapshot.
Perhaps. Or maybe the preferred negative was lost or damaged.That he chose both of them for separate exhibitions/books .... might suggest he didn't really notice much difference between them.
So what did you mean by it "shouldn't have been include in the book"? You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but maybe you could clarify what it is based on. I think a bit of critical thinking would have indicated the image posted was not the original, but a mediocre copy at that.
This thread has legs, but I don't think it's going anywhere.
You're beating a dead horse. Have a nice day.
He also chose or approved the photos for both editions of The Europeans, where the second version figures. And I’m willing to bet that it features again in the Paysages book that @Alex Benjamin mentioned earlier in this thread.
Seems like the Leica G did not have a reflex finder , the finder is not right above the lens but offset and did this camera have parallax correction?
These pictures must have been pretty hard to shoot.
I don`t quite understand, do you mean he did use a IIIC - or that the IIIC was the latest model by Leica in 44?
I mean the latest model was the IIIc (from 1940). He could just as easily have been using a IIIa or IIIb - all those cameras take the same photos. Well, straight up through IIIg, all the cameras give the same results.
It is quite wondrous how he managed to nail the framing so precisely and so often, given the inaccuracy of any Leica viewfinder.
I agree that for the subject distance in this photo, the viewfinder would have been a reasonable guide to what appeared on the negative. All the same, it’s a small viewfinder image, and any sensible person would take several shots for insurance.What inaccuracy? The viewing lens is slightly to the side of the centre of the camera - mainly because the rangefinder cam is in the way. And, the greater the distance to your subject, the less discrepancy between what you see and what the viewfinder sees. The distance between one of your eyes and the other is greater than the distance between the centre-line of the lens and the viewfinder - which is about 5/16".
Posting the photo for discussion, like you did, would be considered fair use.For the record, I wasn’t sure about the copyright situation. I don’t want a nasty letter from the lawyers acting for Magnum. I reasoned that a photo of a page from the book might be forgivable. Reproduction quality varies hugely between the 1980 book, the 1997 re-issued The Europeans and the various versions viewable online, but there’s no getting away from the fact that technically both negatives lack that “bourgeois thing”, sharpness.
If you buy the Magnum contact prints book, you can see a few examples. He took full advantage of the small format camera. You can see that HCB was actually human and that his successes were at least sometimes the best of several attempts … which is no more than what he professed.
However, selection of what he chose to share or to conceal is also part of that process, and his privilege. One should respect that, since - unlike Vivian Maier, for instance - HCB did have the opportunity to exercise it. And this thread is about a photo that he evidently did want to share.
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