can a Tetenal C41 Kit meant for rotary, be used in a normal dev tank?

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jonjameshall

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Hi, Im Jon, a newby and pleased to meet you all!

Ive got a quick question i need help with...

I have bought a tetenal liquid rotary c41 kit by mistake, as I thought it was a powder based press kit like the Nova kit I just finished with. I asume that I can use it just like a press kit with an aditional stabalising bath, but just wanted to check that Im right and find out if anyone has any compensation tips - agitation methods etc...

thanks in advance...

Jon :smile:
 

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I've been using Tetenal C41 & RA4 chemistry for some time, about 8 years, I use Paterson & Jobo inversion tanks for my films with no problems. They are always liquid based.

However I've never seen them sold as Rotary kits, usually I buy the Mini-lab packs. Shouldn't make any difference whether used in normal inversion tank or inversion, although usually for Rotary the dev time is cut slightly.

Ian
 

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I think mine gives times for rotary. Based on the general suggestions the other way, I add on 10% more time than recommended. Just makes sure the kit makes up enough solution to fill your tank accurately for the amount of film you're processing.
 

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The dev times for C41 are standard regardless of the make of kit, for machine use or inversion tank it's 3mins 15secs at 38°C

Rotary processors usually need 10% or so less, they agitate much more rapidly than a normal C41 machine in a photolab.

Ian
 
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wow thanks so much, I was a bit thrown when I only had instuctions for the rotary processor :smile: think Ill add 10% to cover it as im scanning the film anyway...

Im a bit new to the colour dev, I was always told that it was too difficult to do at home, Its strangly easier than black and white for film.

Once I have this sorted I may even think about printing them rather than scanning!

Jon
 

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Once I have this sorted I may even think about printing them rather than scanning!

Printing is where color gets more challenging, IMHO. Getting the color balance right can be tricky, particularly when you're just starting out. If you shoot one brand of film and use the same light sources, your printing filter pack won't vary much from roll to roll, but finding the balance to begin with can be tricky, and if your process or light sources vary much (or if you print from rolls processed by different commercial labs in the past), you'll spend a lot of time and paper rejiggering your color balance. You'll also need to re-balance if you change paper brand.
 
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yes, I gathered that it was this part of the process that had caused the confusion... Colour film is easy to do but colour prints are very difficult to do yourself. Your tip for using the same film stock is good though, as a novice you dont tend to think about things like that until you get yourself in a mess :smile: I do the same fo black and white although I always get tempted to try cheap film out :smile:

I should probably ask this in another thread, but Ill chance it here...

Does anyone have advice for assembling my own kit from separate chemicals rather than buying them ready matched? I have been given a quantity of BLIX from old kits which didnt have a stabaliser, but Im not sure what dev to match it with?

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Your tip for using the same film stock is good though, as a novice you dont tend to think about things like that until you get yourself in a mess :smile: I do the same fo black and white although I always get tempted to try cheap film out :smile:

Theoretically, film brand and type shouldn't make a lot of difference, or so I've read from knowledgeable sources (e.g., PE here on APUG). My experience is that color balance does vary a lot from roll to roll, though, particularly when comparing rolls processed at different labs or in different chemicals. I haven't done any systematic studies to see what makes the most difference, but logic dictates that if you eliminate as many variables as possible, you're likely to get the smallest difference in end results.

Does anyone have advice for assembling my own kit from separate chemicals rather than buying them ready matched? I have been given a quantity of BLIX from old kits which didnt have a stabaliser, but Im not sure what dev to match it with?

First, I recommend against using blix with C-41 films; use separate bleach and fixer instead. I've tried two different blixes (a mix-it-yourself formula and Paterson blix), and both produced noticeably grainier negatives with more washed-out colors than I get when I use separate bleach and fixer. That said, some other people are satisfied with blixes, so you should of course judge for yourself, but at the very least you might want to try a side-by-side comparison.

Second, AFAIK the brand or type of developer you use doesn't interact with the brand or type of blix or bleach/fixer that you use. Just follow the directions for each step. It's quite possible that I don't know of some important interaction, though, so if PE or some other more knowledgeable person contradicts me, take that advice instead of mine. FWIW, I've been using Kodak's standard (non-RA) bleach and fixer for C-41 for a while now, originally with Paterson's C-41 but now with a mix-it-yourself formula since Paterson stopped making their C-41 chemistry.
 
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