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I couldn't figure out the possible best place to post there, so anyway, here goes. Perhaps because almost all of us buy film?

I've made recent purchases from both of the above. Full disclosure, I've been an intermittent Freestyle customer since 1965! Perhaps their, uh, oldest customer? I have also purchased from B&H, most notably my Pentax DSLR, and Adorama, most notably Canon and other inkjet papers.

I find FS's website very easy to navigate. UF/PW is a hierarchical nightmare with no filtering searches.

Until my most recent delivery from FS, I've received most orders in two days here in Texas, three in Florida. FedEx Ground. Last order, over a week.

Ordered from both companies on the same day, and PW/UF took two more days to get here and that's with the unusually long time for FS and FedEx. Otherwise it would have been six or seven days difference. UPS to last mile USPS mailbox delivery. The two companies are about 20 miles apart geographically.

Freestyle has no minimum order and charges reasonable shipping cost based on dollar amount of order. UF/PW charges a flat $10 handling and insurance, but has a $25 minimum order. So, sometimes one or the other meets needs of the moment. (UPS has $100 insurance included in the charges anyway, so for smallish orders, it's all handling charge. That's OK.)

When I've done a CS contact at FS, I get a response in 30 minutes or so. Recently, a wonderful personable woman, Kristina several times. I've asked UF a few questions two different times, crickets. Can't even tell me when something might be in stock. Then again, I don't know if they even got the inquiry, their web mail system is obviously messed up when you use it.

I complained to Kristina at FS about the use of packing peanuts. She told me that they weren't styrofoam, but water dissolving biodegradable. OK, that's better, but still annoying to keep herded and dispose of. And, if I don't want them, just let her know when I place an order and they will use other packing. That's CS!

I wanted a knock about, cheap film for mucking around and developer testing. The bulk roll prices were $38 for UF 100 which is well established as Kentmere, or Arista Ultra.edu for $50, which is well established as Foma. I've used the latter, it's OK marginal. Much better overall comments and reviews for Kentmere, so that's what I bought. I bought that and 5 rolls of alleged T-grain Ultra Max, see review around here.

UF doesn't even include a packing list with the shipment! Amateur hour.

As you can tell by now, I find my experiences with these two companies like the proverbial night and day. Not saying I wouldn't ever buy from UF/PW again, but it would only be because of unique products not available elsewhere. Maybe by the time I need more UFX/Kentmere film, Alaris will have brought back Plus-X.
 

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So I guess that what you are saying in conclusion is that there is a reason that Ultrafine Extreme is only $38 per 100 foot from Photo Warehouse.

Based on your experience I would consider paying the extra $12 to get 100 foot of Arista EDU Ultra from Freestyle. :D

Just a thought.
 
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So I guess that what you are saying in conclusion is that there is a reason that Ultrafine Extreme is only $38 per 100 foot from Photo Warehouse.

Based on your experience I would consider paying the extra $12 to get 100 foot of Arista EDU Ultra from Freestyle. :D

Just a thought.

No, definitely not. Arista.edu is Foma 100 and it is definitely inferior, at least in terms of grain, to perhaps any similar film out there. I've shot it.

Ilford doesn't supply RMS granularity data for their films, but Arista/Foma 100 is 13.5. One half knick less that Kodak XX at 2.5 times the speed. TMX is 8, TMY is 10, same as PX. TX is 17. Fomapan 400 is 17.5, call it the same as TX.

I know grain is only one component of film, but why start out so far behind the line? And UF/Kentmere is cheaper, no less.

I also don't think Foma has the same quality controls as Ilford. At least they put their name on the Kentmere line. And despite all the protestations from Ilford that they don't repackage to private label, well, the evidence is everywhere what the UF source is. Heck, even Kodak did that with the much loved, short lived Arista 100 and 400 not many years ago.
 

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I've made numerous purchases from Photo Warehouse. One order was simply wrong, and so was the follow-up. Got a faulty (and well-worn) camera in another instance. In both cases, a bit of patience and talking with a human being resolved the issue. And the reason I bother is because they have some pretty unusual offerings.
 

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Harman doesn't re-package their own brands.
Harman has a relatively robust business coating film (and other products) on contract, to the customer's own specifications.
The differences may be small, but they will be there.
 

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I wanted a knock about, cheap film for mucking around and developer testing.
The developer will behave differently with different films, so I am not sure I understand why you are using UF to test developers.
 
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The developer will behave differently with different films, so I am not sure I understand why you are using UF to test developers.

Generalities, dude, generalities.

Yes, once in awhile I've been surprised that Film A in Developer X works great, Film B doesn't. But generally, the patterns are there. I shoot TMY, but too expensive to "muck around."
 

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The developer will behave differently with different films, so I am not sure I understand why you are using UF to test developers.
The only thing I understood at all from that entire OP is that he wants to pay Photo Warehouse prices and get the Freestyle Customer Service and Website experience.
 
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The only thing I understood at all from that entire OP is that he wants to pay Photo Warehouse prices and get the Freestyle Customer Service and Website experience.

Not. At. All.

It perpetually amazes me how people conjure up new ideas from something stated pretty explicitly.

My post was an honest A:B experience reporting. Cost of the films I mentioned had nothing to do with my overall satisfaction and dissatisfaction.
 

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Not. At. All.

It perpetually amazes me how people conjure up new ideas from something stated pretty explicitly.

My post was an honest A:B experience reporting. Cost of the films I mentioned had nothing to do with my overall satisfaction and dissatisfaction.
And jump to a completely different subject.
 

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Generalities, dude, generalities.
Yes, once in awhile I've been surprised that Film A in Developer X works great, Film B doesn't. But generally, the patterns are there. I shoot TMY, but too expensive to "muck around."

So, you are experimenting with Ultrafine emulsions to determine what developer will work best with TMY?? Bizarre.
 

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As I recall, Simon was a bit cagey about that statement, and it may not have included the Kentmere brand
Simon subsequently confirmed that the statement applied to the Kentmere brands as well.
IIRC, the original statement was made before all Kentmere manufacturing was moved into the same plant as the Ilford manufacturing. It may be the case that the original statement was made before Harman acquired Kentmere.
 

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Foma 100 is wonderful film but yes, it is grainy. But I shoot it in medium and large formats.In 35 other films fill the bill.
And...I always buy from Freestyle.And...you get what you pay for.
Cheers!
 
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So, you are experimenting with Ultrafine emulsions to determine what developer will work best with TMY?? Bizarre.

No, I am not looking for that "best" developer. Never said that. Doesn't exist, anyway.

I can play with cheap film to indicate if I am on an encouraging track, or not.

Fun, fun, fun until his daddy took his hydroquinone away.
 
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Foma 100 is wonderful film but yes, it is grainy. But I shoot it in medium and large formats.In 35 other films fill the bill.
And...I always buy from Freestyle.And...you get what you pay for.
Cheers!

Absolutely decent film in 120. I'll be shooting some - again - in my old Agfa simpleton consumer camera and Rollei TLR in the next few weeks. Photo safari at Big Bend Ranch State Park coming up.
 
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I contacted Kristina to have my shipment packed w/o peanuts, we e-chatted, turns out that she's been there for 25 years.

In my long time in business, working with businesses, I've noted that almost always, a company that holds on to employees is a good one to deal with as a customer. It's funny how profits and long term survival seem to do well when you treat employees and customers as if you appreciate them.
 
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The Ultrafine film is better than Arista. The last batch of Arista I got to shoot in a Holga was packaged as Arista 200 but when I developed it the edge marking was 100...

I've had good luck with PhotoWarehouse over the years. Don't really use them all that often, but never an issue. The latest thing i am using from them is inkjet transparency material. Works fine at a third of the price of Pictorico.

Still for film there is no substitute for Ilford if you ask me. You might be saving a few bucks, but in the end it isn't worth it if you are really concerned about quality.
 
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The Ultrafine film is better than Arista. The last batch of Arista I got to shoot in a Holga was packaged as Arista 200 but when I developed it the edge marking was 100...

I've had good luck with PhotoWarehouse over the years. Don't really use them all that often, but never an issue. The latest thing i am using from them is inkjet transparency material. Works fine at a third of the price of Pictorico.

Still for film there is no substitute for Ilford if you ask me. You might be saving a few bucks, but in the end it isn't worth it if you are really concerned about quality.

There have been several Arista named films over the years. IIRC, there was a series of film before the Arista.edu one. FS has used the Arista name for many years with different sources for film. There was the much loved Arista Premium 100 and 400, came and went in a relative flash. The Arista.edu is well established as being made by Foma.

Quality means what, exactly? Low grain, consistency in use, fits your workflow, what? Non-Ilford/Kodak films meet the needs of millions of users. Each film has its personality and its intended user. Doesn't mean it is of low quality.

Having said that, I've seen some people have had quality issues with Foma film from time to time. Don't know if that's true. And maybe you want the grain of the 100......
 
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Well, I guess YMMV. Been buying from UF/PW lately (mostly UF film both in 100ft and 120 format) and been pleased with both service, price and product quality. Planning bit 120 film order in about 2 weeks.

By the way, my order did came with a sheet with their offerings and prices. Quite good to entice my next purchase.

Nothing like having options when buying the stuff you want. Thats what capitalism is about.

Best regards

Marcelo
 
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Well, I guess YMMV. Been buying from UF/PW lately (mostly UF film both in 100ft and 120 format) and been pleased with both service, price and product quality. Planning bit 120 film order in about 2 weeks.

By the way, my order did came with a sheet with their offerings and prices. Quite good to entice my next purchase.

Nothing like having options when buying the stuff you want. Thats what capitalism is about.

Best regards

Marcelo

I completely agree, our "mileages" can and do vary and that's OK. Experiences vary, and it's good to have options!
 
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There have been several Arista named films over the years. IIRC, there was a series of film before the Arista.edu one. FS has used the Arista name for many years with different sources for film. There was the much loved Arista Premium 100 and 400, came and went in a relative flash. The Arista.edu is well established as being made by Foma.

Quality means what, exactly? Low grain, consistency in use, fits your workflow, what? Non-Ilford/Kodak films meet the needs of millions of users. Each film has its personality and its intended user. Doesn't mean it is of low quality.

The only Arista film left is the Ultra. It is useless to talk about the stuff they used to have. I used a ton of the Fuji and Kodak that was rebranded. Never had any issues with those.

By quality I mean getting what I expect without emulsion defects mostly. The Ultra seems to be hit and miss, but the misses make me expose two sheets of 4x5 for example so it is actually more expensive than Ilford. With Ilford I never have to worry about any issue that I didn't create myself. I've never had an issue with the Ultrafine Extreme except it doesn't seem to have an abundance of silver in it...

That is what I mean by quality. I still print in the darkroom though. If all I did was scan then pretty much anything can be used.

I am not a film snob either. I really like Foma films. Just in their Arista guise I don't trust it. If you want reliability Ilford is where it is at. I've never seen a single issue on any Iford film in my life. I'd call that reliable.
 

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Ultrafine Extreme 400 was my go to for a while. Nothing wrong with it although it's pretty flat looking. It prints and scans fine though.
 
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