Buying a second Hasselblad Lens

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The Tessar 250/4 is only for the focal-plane-shutter-series and won´t work on your 500CM.
From personal experience I must say that with 250mm it starts to be difficult to shoot hand-hold, but the lens itself is great. Nevertheless I think the 150/4 might be more versatile. It is the next on my wishlist.
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good read on the converters Andre, if the image quality is going to be affected by the converter, I'd probably want to get the hasselblad converters, and they cost SO MUCH! almost as much as the lens itself

oh if the 250mm is hard to shoot hand-hold, that might be a problem. I was looking at 180mm and saw some 180mm/f2.8 by zeiss for Pentacon six TL. is there a lens that fast at that length for hasselblad as well?
 

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Some APUG non-Hasselblad tele-converter users feedback.


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I hardly shoot any 35mm anymore, when I do it tends to be either a 300, 600, or 18 Nikkor. When I shot a lot of 35mm the 105 was my normal lens. Same thing with the hassy, the 150 is my normal and the 250 and 350 get used a fair amount. I'd like to have a 500 hassy lens.

4x5 210 is kind of standard for me with the 300 not far behind. I guess long depends from where you start, but I know there are general standards when speaking of longer lens.

Don't be scared of the 150mm C, a very nice lens.

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As I said, the 150mm is the "classic" portrait lens. I wasn't trying to suggest that it was the only lens that you should consider, simply stating the fact that it was the lens most commonly used for portraiture and that there are good reasons for this. If you want to do something a bit more funky, then go for something else : There are no rules and what I say only speaks for the way I go about my photography : Personally, I tend to 'visualise' (sorry, best term I could come up with) the kind of image I want to get and then work backwards, trying to work out the simplest (and, if possible, the cheapest) way of achieving that end .

That said, from a purely practical point of view, if you really want to "snipe" candid portraits then I'd suggest you think very hard about using a 'blad with a 250mm. That's a big lump of glass on a big lump of a camera and you may find that it attracts more attention than you anticipated. People tend to notice big cameras and this might undermine your intention of shooting candidly.

Also, you may also find that shooting candids with a 250mm and a waist level finder on a 'blad' very difficult. If you've ever tried shooting candid portraits with, say, a 300+mm lens on 35mm, then you'll know what I mean. Trying to follow action with a long lens isn't easy with an SLR - add a WLF, reversing the scene, and it suddenly gets twice as difficult...
If you are lucky enough to have a reflex viewer for your 500c/m - you'll find following a subject and framing a scene easier, because the image isn't reversed, but working with such a heavy combination (camera+lens+pentaprism) held up to your eye is tiring and hard to maintain.

Personally, if I wanted to 'snipe' with a 'blad, I'd still use the 150mm, because it's smaller and easier to handle. In fact, it's still over 12 inches long, with a lens hood, and, at a guess, over 1kg in weight. Instead of filling the frame with a just a head, I'd stand somewhat further back from the subject and frame things more loosely. This would allow the subject a little room to move about without going out of frame, enabling me to work in a slightly more relaxed manner.
Ok, I'd lose some image quality, as I'd be obliged to crop the negative for printing, but the 150mm is very sharp and the quality from 120 film so good that I'm confident I can 'lose' up to 1/3 of the negative without degrading image quality too noticeably.

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So i've been looking at 250mm and saw some Tessar which is 250mm/f4 instead of the other 250mm/f5.6. are both of these good quality lens?

I have both. They are both equally good.

But you can't use the f/4 on a 500-series camera, because there is no shutter in the f/4.

So...

The f/4 is the older C, I would buy the CF(i) f/5.6, but again, your decision and your money!

... No, it is not the old C. There never was an old f/4 250 mm C lens.
There was an f/4 250 mm lens in the pre-1957 Hasselblad system, but they are rather rare. The f/5.6, by the way, also hails from the early 1950s, and hasn't changed as far as the optical design is concerned since. No need to: they knew how to make superb lenses without using computers back then too!


Re sniping with the 250 mm lens.
As one who counts the 250 mm among his favourite and most used lenses, i can tell you that it is possible without too much difficulty.
You do need fast film to keep shutterspeeds up (i never stop the lens down, unless there is so much light that i have to), and find a way to steady yourself. But it is not that much more difficult than using a 150 mm lens at all.

The lens is a bit longer than the 150 mm, but that doesn't necessarily mean you'll be more conspicuous. On the contrary, i feel.
Because of it, you'll always be outside the personal space boundary, and people will ignore you even when they know you're there holding a camera, while the shorter 150 mm makes you get too close for comfort, and they will really be wary of what you might be up to with that thing.
 
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thank you jerry and Q.G. for bringing up these points. good things to think about. I guess I'll have to try to really know!

Q.G. do you shoot your 250mm hand held? and what's the slowest shutter speed you'll do for hand held shooting?
 

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Hi Rinthe,

Another consideration you may like to mull over...

I don't know where you're based but the choice between a 250mm and a 150mm may depend - to a certain extent - on location.

Here, in the dim winter light of Northern Europe, the ability to work at higher shutter speeds (say 1/250sec or shorter) with a max aperture of only f/5.6, can't be taken for granted. Wherever you are, I'd take your light meter outside and do some test readings at f/5.6, as if using your favourite film's ISO.

You may discover that you can only use a 250mm, hand held, for 3 months a year...

Regards
Jerry
 
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jerry: I'm located in California. In Davis for now but will be going back to LA after i graduate. It's pretty sunny most of the time in LA, but it becomes a problem when I want to shoot at night, I would probably need to use a tripod. I'm leaning more towards the 150mm now...
 

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Q.G. do you shoot your 250mm hand held? and what's the slowest shutter speed you'll do for hand held shooting?

Not when i can help it.
But yes, i often did, and do.

The fastest speed possible is what i use.
And i aim to make high speeds possible by using ISO 400 film. (My film of choice is T-Max - a pitty that i have to reduce its speed to ISO 200 to get the contrast i like... )
I always look for something to lean the lens or camera on or against. The lens shade is a great help, i think: you can push that against a lot of things i wouldn't want to push the lens itself against.
Still, using f/5.6 i end up using speeds of 1/125 (EV 12) or 1/250 (EV 13). 1/500 (EV 14) only now and again.


One thing to consider is that the 250 mm lens is rather asymmetric. That means it will lose light, due to extension, faster than you'd perhaps expect.
At its close focus range, you will already need to add 0.6 of a stop.
(This is not particular to the 250 mm Sonnar: the 150 mm Sonnar also needs 0.5 stop exposure compensation when set to its close focus limit.)
That does not help when you are trying to get as fast a shutterspeeds as possible.
 
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At a guess, you've probably got two or three more stops of light to play with in LA.

That's why Hollywood is in LA, not in Hove, where, in victorian times, there was a thriving film industry...

Regards
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Yes, good correction, I should have called it "Pre-C", maybe?
They were produced between 1948 and 1957, for the 1600F and 1000F focal plane shutter cameras.

My bad, Rinthe, cheers Q.G!;
 
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All the lenses in the Hasselblad line are good. For portraits the general guideline would suggest the 150mm or the 180mm. The 100mm and the 250mm some might prefer. The guideline is general, the choice has to be what you want and what you do with the lens.

I do not shoot portraits so out of my set of lenses: 38mm, 50mm, 80mm, 150mm and 250mm, 2X extender, I use the 150mm the least. Does that make the less bad? No, I just choose subjects which do not need that particular lens that often.

You are in southern California, so rent some lenses from Samys or Bel-Air camera for a day or two. That will lead you to the best answer for you. If you buy a lenses from them, they may apply the rental price to the lens you buy, fi you ask first.

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i'm looking to buy a lens hood with it so i can put it against things. I will be getting the 150mm CF lens. I'm looking on KEH, any idea which one it is? and what's the differnece between lens shade and hood?
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A shade is a hood, a hood is a shade.

You need the bayonet 60, 100-250 shade/hood for that lens.
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i'm looking to buy a lens hood with it so i can put it against things. I will be getting the 150mm CF lens. I'm looking on KEH, any idea which one it is? and what's the differnece between lens shade and hood?
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Do not use a plastic simple hood but buy the 'bellow' hood which allows you to use it for all the lenses. Folded it does not take much space.
 

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Do not use a plastic simple hood but buy the 'bellow' hood which allows you to use it for all the lenses. Folded it does not take much space.

Or, if you already have a bay60 hood for your 80 lens (I'm guessing you don't), you can get by with that on your 150 too even though it is shorter than optimal. (Of course, if you get the proper hood for your 150, you shouldn't use it on your 80.)

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Hoods are always to short when the sun lits the lens.
The bellow hood is much longer which helps to get the light out of the lens.
The plastic hoods were no use to me in the past.
 

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Do not use a plastic simple hood but buy the 'bellow' hood which allows you to use it for all the lenses. Folded it does not take much space.

A fixed length plastic hood performs quite well too, no sweat.
So the advice not to use one is rather over the top.
 

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I use the plastic hood, and can't get your point!:confused:

I never had an issue with it!
 
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