Bromoil papers and ink

Skott · Jul 27, 2006

I am new to alternative processes. In a few weeks I will try Bromoil for the first time. Therefore I wonder if someone knows which papers that are suited for Bromoils, that is non supercoated papers? Is the following ink ok to use: http://www.ibwahlstrom.se/epages/IB...9be273fc0a800050644/Product/View/1796?cat=145

Best regards,
F. Skott

Travis Nunn · Jul 27, 2006

JandC have a paper suited for Bromoils (Bromoprint). I've inked a few bromoils on it and it worked well for me.

Gene_Laughter · Jul 27, 2006

Skott said:
I am new to alternative processes. In a few weeks I will try Bromoil for the first time. Therefore I wonder if someone knows which papers that are suited for Bromoils, that is non supercoated papers? Is the following ink ok to use: http://www.ibwahlstrom.se/epages/IB...9be273fc0a800050644/Product/View/1796?cat=145

Best regards,
F. Skott

That's one of the inks that I use for bromoil. I prefer supercoated papers. Many of the european bromoilists that I know and that prefer non-supercoated papers swear by Bergger Brom 240.

Cheers,

Gene

Skott · Jul 27, 2006

Thanks for your answers. Gene - what is the difference between using supercoated and nonsupercoated papers? Is there any differences in handeling or in the bleach/tan baths? Do you know if Emaks K888 (my favorite paper) is ok for making bromoil prints? Do you have any recommendations for brushes for a beginner?
Best regards, Fredrik

Gene_Laughter · Jul 27, 2006

I'm not familar with the paper you are using? Many fiber base papers will work for bromoil. I use hog hair pastry brushes which can be trimmed to a stag foot shape with sharp scissors. Many Brit bromoilsts use inexpensive hog hair shaving brushes. Maija McDougal, President of the Bromoil Circle of Great Britain, for one. A couple of supercoated papers I use: Forte Elegance graded semi matte and Illford fiberbase MG IV matte. No difference in the bleaching chemistry or routine. A longer, warmer pre inking soak is needed by some. Gene

don sigl · Jul 27, 2006

I have had considerable success with David Lewis' bromoil paper. Another beautiful paper was the Agfa MC matte surface. My experience has been to use the non supercoated papers to start. They tend to be a little easier to use and control. Also start with a a hard ink. The soft inks take a little more practice. I use David Lewis inks and brushes. They are excellent. More expensive than Gene's suggestion, but they will last a lifetime. I sugesst visiting David's site: http://www.bromoil.com/ Many of the images in my gallery were created using his materials.

Gene_Laughter · Jul 27, 2006

Skott said:
I am new to alternative processes. In a few weeks I will try Bromoil for the first time. Therefore I wonder if someone knows which papers that are suited for Bromoils, that is non supercoated papers? Is the following ink ok to use: http://www.ibwahlstrom.se/epages/IB...9be273fc0a800050644/Product/View/1796?cat=145

Best regards,
F. Skott

I see no reason for ordering supplies from this side of the pond when there are ample bromoil papers, inks, etc. available on your side of the Atlantic.

I would suggest that you contact David Francis, Secretary of the Bromoil Circle of Great Britain, for his suggestions of sources re: bromoil supplies. Tell David that I sent you!

dave@bromoils.freeserve.co.uk

By the way, Maija McDougal, President of the Bromoil Circle is the one that turned me onto pastry brushes and shaving brushes. She has a huge collection of vintage Sinclair bromoil brushes, but prefers shaving brushes and pastry brushes for bromoil inking. So do I! :>)

She uses ordinary oil based printers inks. I prefer lithographic inks from Graphic Supply and Ink Co. - You posted a pic of a can of black from this company.

Anyway - supplies are not a problem --- Good luck!!!

Gene

Gene_Laughter · Jul 27, 2006

BTW, Fotoimpex in Germany is a source many of my Euro bromoilist friends use for non super coated bromoil paper:

http://www.fotoimpex.de/Home/engl_photopapers/body_engl_photopapers.html

Gene

Skott · Aug 4, 2006

Hi!

Thanks for all the tips. Now I have bought some hog hair brushes. Gene, you wrote that I should trim them to a stag foot shape with sharp scissor? I am not really sure how you mean? Is there any pictures of that kind of brushes on internet? Which size of the bushes do you use?

Does anyone know if Rohrer & Klinger Flussige Lithographie Tushe is ok for bromoils?

Regards,
Fredrik

Dave Miller · Aug 4, 2006

An interesting link is: http://www.gryspeerdt.co.uk/

I can recommend the Video/DVD as an informative introduction to Bromoil; almost as good as Gene's book.

Dave Miller · Aug 4, 2006

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Skott · Aug 5, 2006

Thank you for the links!

Is familiar with the ink or knows how the brushes should look like?

Regards,
Fredrik

Dave Miller · Aug 5, 2006

This link will show some of Gene's brushes.

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Many books here for download as pdf files:

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Skott · Aug 5, 2006

Thanks. I had no idea that the brushes should be so large. Which size are they in? Which sizes should I, as a beginner, buy.

Regards,
Fredrik

Dave Miller · Aug 5, 2006

A shaving brush is the best to start with. Buy two, a cheap one and an expensive one; see which works best for you.

Skott · Aug 5, 2006

Thanks for the tips. Should I try to form them with a scissor so the look like those Gene using? Best, Fredrik

Dave Miller · Aug 6, 2006

Skott said:
Thanks for the tips. Should I try to form them with a scissor so the look like those Gene using? Best, Fredrik

Yes.

An electric razor helps with the trimming, if you have one.

Skott · Aug 21, 2006

Thanks!

I will begin with black bromoils. But if I later on tries to make bromoils with two or more colours. Does I then apply the ink as normal but with red sometimes and black sometimes, for example?

When it comes to brushes. Is hoghair brushes like these ok: http://www.gnestapenseln.se/Bilder/Penslar_stora/48.jpg

Does anyone knows if Flussige Lithographie Tusche from Rohrer & Klinger in Leipzig works for making Bromoils?

Regards,
Fredrik

Skott · Aug 22, 2006

No one?

Dave Miller · Aug 22, 2006

I've only just seen this post Skott, The brushes look as though they should be ok, although it is difficult to tell from a photograph.
Practice first with the black ink untill you are very good. Then try the colour inking in, maybe ten years time.

Allen Friday · Aug 22, 2006

On the issue of brushes, Williams-Sonoma sells a round basting brush that is hogs hair and about an inch in diameter. Cost is $10, goes on sale a couple of times a year. Trim with an electric trimmer as described in Gene's book and you're in business.

Allen

doughowk · Aug 22, 2006

Kentmerre Art Document

After reading a review by Derek Watkins in SilverShotz (vol 3,ed 6) of Kentmere Art Document as bromoil paper, I've been trying to find a supplier on this side of pond. Both Freestyle & B&H no longer carry it. Is anyone aware of plans to sell it here?

Gene_Laughter · Aug 22, 2006

doughowk said:
After reading a review by Derek Watkins in SilverShotz (vol 3,ed 6) of Kentmere Art Document as bromoil paper, I've been trying to find a supplier on this side of pond. Both Freestyle & B&H no longer carry it. Is anyone aware of plans to sell it here?

Kentmere has discontinued this paper. They have said that they may produce it again at a later date. We'll see?

Cheers,

Gene

Bob F. · Aug 22, 2006

The supplier of the base paper is no longer producing it. Kentmere say they are looking for an alternate base, but as Gene says: we'll see...

Cheers, Bob.

Skott · Sep 1, 2006

Allen Friday said:
On the issue of brushes, Williams-Sonoma sells a round basting brush that is hogs hair and about an inch in diameter. Cost is $10, goes on sale a couple of times a year. Trim with an electric trimmer as described in Gene's book and you're in business.

Allen

Could I find it on Internet?

Best,
Fredrik

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