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A while back I made a post over on Large Format info about wanting to replace the star knobs on the used 2025 head I had purchased, with something more comfortable, especially for the front tilt adjustment, which is more difficult, due to its position under the camera bed. Thanks to suggestions, I found two likely—and inexpensive—replacement candidates at Grainger.com, and thought it might be useful to share my results here.

Manfrotto checked with Italy HQ for me and found that the screw size for the knob is metric, M8. The pitch is specified as 1.25, but that is apparently standard. (By the way, the screw for the pan knob is smaller; I didn't ask that size.) The one error I made in ordering was to specify too long a screw length. 0.98- or .099-inch would have been fine; with the 1.18 length I ordered, I had to use a hacksaw to cut off the extra and file down the end. For reference, the two items I ordered are:

Adjustable Handle, Item #: 419A64
Star Grip Knob, Item #: 3GHR9

For the front tilt, the adjustable handle is a major improvement—much better leverage makes it very easy to operate. For the side tilt, the new star knob is rather thin; the outer diameter is about the same as the one that comes on the tripod but the original offers more side to grip.

I bought a can of PlastiDip tool handle coating and tried putting two coats each on the old and new star knobs. For my hands, the coating helped significantly, partly because the head knobs were a bit scuffed with some rough edges. I added two more coats and found that the old knob was actually better for me than the new one I had tried. See below. (PlastiDip does come in black; I just took the first can I saw.)

If you buy replacements, you'll probably want some grease for the screw(s). I used black lithium grease I happened to have. If you have none, perhaps your car mechanic would oblige. By the way, If there is a Grainger store near you, you can pick up the items there and save the shipping fee.
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Is that sturdy enough for a large format camera?
I formerly used a monorail on a Bogen 2051 tripod wit 3047 head. Great combination, but I'm no longer up to lugging it around; at least, it became lugging. About 26 lbs. Needing a more portable, and very affordable set-up for location portraiture, I settled on a Tachihara hope and a Bogen 2021. I kept the 3047 initially, but decided to slim down further, since the Tachihara weights only about 5lbs with lens, and decided to try the 2025. I find it absolutely solid for my camera, and now it's comfortable to use, though traditional handles certainly have the edge. I can't locate the manufacturer's load rating now; I seem to recall 10lbs or so.
 
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Is that sturdy enough for a large format camera?

For lighter-weight field cameras, absolutely! It's my favorite head for field cameras since you can loosen all three knobs at once and use it like a ball head, loosen two knobs and adjust simultaneously in two axes or just loosen and adjust one at a time. I've even used it for heavier monorails (Graphic View II). However, I do have a heftier pan/tilt head for larger cameras like the Graphic View and my later Zone VI field camera. However, the 2025 is the head of choice for hiking/backpacking with my Wista DX or SW.

FWIW, I've replaced the star knobs on one of my 2025 heads with larger, round knobs available here in Europe off-the-shelf in most hardware stores. The handle looks like it might interfere with the camera bed if not positioned exactly...

Best,

Doremus
 

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Doremus, the handles can be repositioned. Pull out, rotate, ... That's how my little 2025 works.
 
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Grainger use to be an industrial supply only not open to the general public. Have they changed?
Hardware stores may carry these at least in SAE thread and a few common Metric threads or try Amazon https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=star+knob .

Grainger is certainly available for folks like us, ordering a single part. The adjustable handle I listed above was less than $8, though they carry similar ones for much more.
 
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