Ed Sukach said:For the same reason I "need" APUG. "Smart" business decision are nice - but I do not subscribe to, or read, any publication solely for the fact that it is produced as a smart business decision.
Not why I would subscribe to/ de-subscribe. Unfortunately, most - In fact, ALL of the publications that have allowed "just a few" digitally specific articles invariably change their basic philosophies from that of "art" and "fine" photography to a frenzied, "Take the photograph and why worry about it ... here are the miraculous, wondrous ways you can screw around with it afterwards."
You say there are "many" Fine Art Photographers working with "Digital Photogrpaphy" and infer(?) that the numbers of those who work with film are not sufficient to sustain a magazine. Do you have any "hard" information of those numbers ... which to me, would be necessary to support a "good" business decision, or are assumptions being made? Related - how may "Digitally" oriented (philosophy-wise) magazines are available to those who do work digitally, and how many for those work work with film ... or to put it another way, just what is the competition, and what is a reasonable expectation of sales?
How does this sound?
In a Board of Director's meeting, the information is brought to light - "Only ten percent of our profits are generated by film-based photography. Sound business - We will discontinue film-based products."
At the next meeting - PANIC!!! "Our profits are down by TEN PERCENT!!! - Heads will roll. Committees must be formed, Consultants hired --- to find out WHY..."
You say there are "many" Fine Art Photographers working with "Digital Photogrpaphy" and infer(?) that the numbers of those who work with film are not sufficient to sustain a magazine.
Do you have any "hard" information of those numbers ... which to me, would be necessary to support a "good" business decision, or are assumptions being made?
How does this sound?
In a Board of Director's meeting, the information is brought to light - "Only ten percent of our profits are generated by film-based photography. Sound business - We will discontinue film-based products." At the next meeting - PANIC!!! "Our profits are down by TEN PERCENT!!! - Heads will roll. Committees must be formed, Consultants hired --- to find out WHY..."
jovo said:Photovision, Art and Technique was just such a magazine. As I have been told by one who knows, it ceased to exist for reasons entirely other than lack of interest, advertisers, distribution or any other reason related to its content. It could still be a viable publication had the publisher chosen to continue.
Satinsnow said:Gareth,
Now what is so non-traditional with 'mission statement' we have used that term in the magazine publishing industry for over 25 years now, we did way back in 1980 when I started in the publication industry.
But you can be assured the 'mission statement' has been part of the traditional magazine publishing industry for a long time now, and to top it off, my comments were directed at the publisher of 'Inked' Magazine, which was asking a question about why we should not be able to have a combined magazine.
Nothing to do with you or your so called 'General Comments'
Dave
The long term future of B&W materials ultimately depends on attracting the digital generation.
Gim said:Dear Inked
It looks like your are publishing a statistical "average" magazine. Does not sound too exciting to me.
Jim
Gim said:Thanks arigram
You write "my" feelings much better than I can. I would rather end up with 3 issues of Emulsion than 3 years of a "business" photo mag. (and I have a two year subscription to Emulsion) Where is the passion?
Jim
inkedmagazine said:You want a magazine without advertising? Great! Be willing to pay $60 a year for a subscription, don't expect a lot of pages or a high quality paper, and expect it to be difficult to find because of the cost to print on web press is astronomical.
Hate me and what I'm saying, but I only speak the truth.
I've read that line about 10 times now. I think it will take more.inkedmagazine said:Yes, but I was mistaken to also not say there aren't enough people working in digital fine art photography to sustain a magazine.
I only wish I could sit down and discuss all this face to face. It would take more time and effort than I'd like to expend right now to try to correlate the "data from Photographers", and "data from collectors"...Hard numbers? I have numbers from a survey I took of about 500 photographers and 500 collectors about two years ago...
I think you meant "potential readers" -- You would have no readers to alienate before you start.If I were to start a magazine and base my magazine soley around traditional photography, I risk alienating nearly 65% of my readers who have been exhibited in galleries....
Uh... I hate to be "picky", but "Over 80% and 24%" add up to "Over 104%"The other photographers, 47% who had not been exhibited in galleries before, 35% of them said they were currently looking for representation. Out of those 35%, over 80% said they use a form of digital process to create a print, while only 24% said they work in traditional photography only. It's more apparent that the younger generation of fine art photographers are using more digital than traiditional photography.
One moment while I unclench my teeth. Conditioned response - happens every time I hear the phrase "Personal Friend" when discussing business.I'll also base my information off of annual sales of photography labs that deal with traditional photography ONLY. Their numbers are way down from what they used to be. I can't name specific names, but current and previous advertisers from B&W and other magazines are either going out of business or are doing poorly because the number of photographers who are using labs to develop their work are going down. The numbers of labs that do professional digital inkjet printing are going up and more "digital labs" are opening across the country.
....This comes from my circulation director who is personal friends with buyers from B&N and Borders.
Been there. After hearing that "Profits are down 10%" you will invariably see the quickest epidemic of deafness on the face of the planet - and with it, the handmaidens of knee-jerk reaction, panic, bloodlust, terror... Fifty sweepers of the dust and other sundry types who had nothing - or VERY little - to do with profits will be laid off immediately...In a Board of Director's meeting, they would talk about 10% of their annual sales. They would then..
lee said:Inked,
Austin is about 200 miles south of DFW. There is a photo gallery in Dallas that has been in business for over 35 years. It is called the Afterimage (www.afterimagegallery.com) did you send any to Ben?
lee\c
I remember a conversation with a rather "odd" businessman, once. He gave me some unforgettable advice: "If you want to make real money, the entire secret is to look around you. Study well what `everyone else' is doing. Don't do that. The competition will be too stiff. The success awaits those who venture into unique areas...."
For every magazine that "jumps on the bandwagon" and converts to the "digital" philosophy, the area free for a unique "Traditional Process" magazine increases, and the competition decreases.
I *usually* process all my own work. From time to time, the occasion arises, especially working with E-6, where it makes more sense to use a Commercial lab. That happened about a month ago. I was talking to the receptionist (A gifted photographer in her own right) and commented, "The E-6 business must be dropping off quite a bit lately". She replied, "On the contrary. As more and more labs quit working film, and convert solely to "digital", our business has increased markedly. Even at that, the increase is more than could be expected by the reduction in numbers of competing labs doing the work." -
Been there. After hearing that "Profits are down 10%" you will invariably see the quickest epidemic of deafness on the face of the planet - and with it, the handmaidens of knee-jerk reaction, panic, bloodlust, terror... Fifty sweepers of the dust and other sundry types who had nothing - or VERY little - to do with profits will be laid off immediately...
lee said:I will contact Ben and see if he has any left. I was there around Memorial Day and did not see any but I was not looking for it. Did Ben run an ad for the second issue also?
lee\c
inkedmagazine said:... Anyway, I'm not in this forum to talk about Inked.
inkedmagazine said:The business of photography is something a lot of photographers, collectors and curators are very passionate about. How do you market yourself? How do you find representation? What kind of prints are acceptable and have a better chance of being picked up by a gallery than others? What should you limit your editions to? How do you price your work? There's so much to talk about and get excited about and for a photographer who is seeking gallery representation to use as a tool! And then there's the goings on in the collector's side of things too! Fine Art Photography auctions, up close interviews with galleries and appraisers, fine art photography book reviews, how a print increases in value over the years!
You want a how-to magazine to tell you how many angles to shoot a bird from, there are lots of other magazines for that.
Ed Sukach said:Gee, Jorge ... Could you be a little more direct? I mean ... All this beating around the bush... :rolleyes:
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