I'm going to be creating digital negs by first scanning 4x5 delta 100. Could anybody give me any tips on the best way to expose and develop the sheet film prior to scanning. Is there anything I need to know or should it just be devloped as standard? I've just begun playing round with expansion and contraction of negs through development before getting on the road of pt/pd printing and have been happy with what I'm getting. Should I just go with my gut and develop them how I think will best suit the scene if I were to print in normal silver black and white and worry about making adjustments later? :confused:
I would disagree with this. If one wants to be able to do work in the darkroom, then one is stuck with that. However, I believe the best scanning neg is twice as dense as the darkroom neg. Top end is at roughly 2.0 vs 1.0 in transmission density. I had been making negs like this for printing in platinum and I found that the same negs scanned wonderfully (I have a drum scanner).
I have great respect for both Don and Bruce's opinions but my experience varies on this one.
Lenny
EigerStudios
ICallier Effect is also directly related to density, for the same reason. The more silver, the more light scatter. What this means to scanning is a decrease in local contrast in the most dense areas -- that is, highlight compression. One can compensate for this with a curve in Photoshop. To some degree anyway. And this, I think, is a big deal. It's a big deal to anyone scanning or enlarging in the darkroom. This is why the darkroom guys preach "only as much density as you need to print easily and no more." It applies to scanning too.
I wonder how dependent this is on film? My film scanner is an Epson 3200 and my main black and white film is ADOX sheets. I just can't get it to be so dense as to fully occupy my scanner's range (in the dark area)
for example, this is a fully black sheet scanned.
yet even when photographing a lamp (including the bulb) I don't get that level of density.
I have to ask if this 'luminesent glow' is the callier effect? If so then it suits this image but may be detracting for others. So perhaps some pulling of development is still warranted for the optimum on some scenes?
The problem as I see it then is that without access to a scanner which allows you to optimise the transmitted light levels along its optimum response scale you are getting an inferior result (like my epson).
Yep. This is why I said "I'm not saying Mr. Eiger is wrong. Different films, developers, workflows, scanners and software give different results."
TMY-2 is about as different from Efke 25 as films can be. My developer of choice is XTOL by the way. I use it at 1:3, in a Jobo CPP-2 and a 3010 tank.
I'm going to be creating digital negs by first scanning 4x5 delta 100. Could anybody give me any tips on the best way to expose and develop the sheet film prior to scanning.
Hi
aside from this discussion (and all the good points raised by others) perhaps my page here may help too.
The colour stuff at the bottom is still 'in progress'
I think this is the most amazing article on exposure I've ever read.
Don Bryant
the blog links in the sig
I've got to put together more of the C-41 then move into my examination of E-6 (I'll probably use Provia because I prefer its soft reactions compared to Velvia)
man, I wish I could get Kodachrome in 4x5
I think this is the most amazing article on exposure I've ever read.
Don Bryant
I read it. Just curious, what part was so impressive to you?
Lenny
BTW, I published an article in a recent number of View Camera magazine (July/August 2008) on the use of two bath development for negatives that are meant to be scanned and never printed in the darkroom. It suggests a fairly simple technique for field exposure and development that eliminates most of the record keeping of Zone and BTZS type methods.
Sandy King
Regarding E6, here's a trade secret from an old pro... try Fuji RTP or Kodak 64T (tungsten balanced E6 films). For daylight color balance shoot them through an 85B filter at 50 ASA. You will get about a stop more latitude than any daylight E6 film, and fewer of the strong color casts which are typical of Velvia in outdoor conditions
I guess that's a slightly negative review then ;-)
Sandy
I'll grab a copy of the VC magazine to have a peek (seem like a good reason to get it anyhow).
thanks for sharing your findings on contrast ranges. I'm interested in understanding the requirements of smooth tonal graduations in my images. So I'd thought that if I have a fuller representation of the scene in my negative then I'd have less issues with quantisation error on scans.
I am, however, intrigued by Lenny's belief that he can get better results with a drum scanner with negatives of relatively high contrast. This seems contrary to some of the basic principles of photographic exposure and development but Lenny is considered to be one of the better digital printers in the US so if it works for him there may be something to it. Then again, perhaps his drum scanner is just able to compensate for the problems inherent in high contrast negatives.
Sandy
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