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Alex1994

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Hello

Looking for a 35mm B&W film to use this summer. I'll be shooting in Athens, Greece and maybe in my home town in the UK as well. It'll be fairly bright and I'll be taking photos without flash of the urban landscape, with and without people. Perhaps the odd portrait as well.

Any recommendations?
 

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I shoot in similar latitudes and use Delta 100 in my Yashicamat hand held, Delat 400 in my 6x17 and HP5 in my Crown Graphic again both hand held but I need greater depth of field with these ywo cameras/lenses. Like Eric all processed in Pyrocat HD.

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Ideally, you want something with a long tonal scale that doesn't block up in the highlights too quickly. One of the chromogenic C-41 films will do the job, but might not be what you have in mind. Failing that, I can definitely recommend TMY-2. I was completely astounded the first time I saw the negatives from this film. It was shot at box speed in very hard light with a huge dynamic range, yet it managed to hold detail in the very deep shadows and in the bright highlights. The negatives were a snap to print on the equivalent of grade 2 paper. Nothing fancier than D-76 was used to develop the film following Kodak's recommendations to the letter. It just works dependably with a minimum of fuss and bother.

Oh yeah, portraits in full sun usually benefit from a bit of fill flash. I hope you're not one of those "purists" who think that all flash is anathema.
 

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I've been shooting Pan F+ rated at 25 for years here in sunny LA. Souped in Rodinal 1+100 for 14 minutes gives me great results.
 

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I've been shooting Pan F+ rated at 25 for years here in sunny LA. Souped in Rodinal 1+100 for 14 minutes gives me great results.

How do you agitate this, marcmarc?
 

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I shoot hp+ developed either in rodinal 1/50 for 15 minutes or promicrol 1/14 for 11 minutes at box speed, and I get a great tonal range and find the extra speed allows me to stop down, the d.o.f. is usefull, especially as I often use an orange filter Richard
 
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The flippant answer: The film you have tested and calibrated for those conditions. This assumes you have worked out a personal EI and development scheme for the contrasty situation you describe. Any film can give good results if you expose and develop appropriately.

The less flippant (long) answer: Note that in the following I am assuming that you use the in-camera meter or another "averaging" metering technique (if you use a spot meter to measure the shadows, the following will not apply).

Contrasty lighting and "standard" metering using an in-camera meter usually gives negatives that are underexposed and contrasty (assuming a "standard" development time). The real danger with contrasty, bright scenes is that an in-camera meter will usually not indicate enough exposure to keep detail in the shadows, thereby giving you featureless shadows. To prevent this, you need to make sure you give adequate exposure to record the shadows. Contrary to intuition, you will need to expose more in contrasty bright situations than in "normal" situations. With bright scenes with harsh shadows, I would imagine that a stop more exposure than the meter indicates would do the job for 90% of the time. When the clouds roll in, or the sunlight is softer, go back to the indicated reading. Again, expose more than the meter reading for contrasty scenes.

Secondly, for contrasty scenes you would ideally develop less. However, as noted above, giving different development to different frames on a roll is impractical. If you do have a roll entirely exposed in the bright, contrasty situation, and you are getting good contrast with prints of scenes with "normal" contrast, you could develop that roll less. The best way is to test, but if you develop 20% less and have given more exposure as described above, you'll likely end up with very printable negatives.

If there are many scenes of different contrast on the roll, you could reduce developing time by 10% and then compensate with paper grade.

Again, I believe that giving adequate exposure is more important than film choice in contrasty situations. The real problem most people who use in-camera meters have is that the meter reading for scenes with a larger-than-normal contrast range is wrong. Just overexposing those contrasty scenes by a stop and adjusting with paper grade will give much better results.

When I shoot roll film (which is rare anymore) I always "underdevelop" a bit; i.e., my rollfilm negatives are developed so that a "normal" contrast scene prints well on grade 3 paper instead of the grade 2 I shoot for with sheet film. That way I have grade 2 and below to deal with contrastier negs.

If you are developing so that a normal scene prints well on grade 2, you may want to reduce development time for rolls that have any scenes of extreme contrast to make those easier to deal with. Again, I would test so that a normal scene printed well on grade 3, but reducing development by 10% as mentioned above, will take the edge off the most contrasty negs and still allow printing of the others.

There is a lot of refining you can do with this system, but the basic principles are: make sure there is always enough exposure for the shadows (which means more exposure for contrasty situations and normal exposure for the others with in-camera meters) and make sure that you don't overdevelop (which means finding a compromise developing time that underdevelops some scenes a bit but doesn't overdevelop the contrasty ones). Contrast adjustment is then done at printing using paper grades.

Sure, there are film and developer choices to be made here as well, but they will not have nearly the positive effect that simply exposing correctly (i.e., giving more exposure for contrasty situations if you use an in-camera meter) will have.

Sorry this got a bit long, but I hope it helps,

Best,

Doremus Scudder
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Thank you very much for your advice everyone, especially Doremus, I had been wondering how to get those shadows spot-on. The only trouble is that I send my film to a minilab (a good one I think) so would they have the wit to develop it properly?
 

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If never shooting hand held in anything much darker than deep shade, a 100/125 film should do the trick. I am a fan of Ilford FP4 (and Kodak Plus-X) when it comes to general-purpose medium-speed films.
 

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I like Portra 160 NC or second choice Ektar 100 for sunny days. Note I only shoot Kodak, some day I might branch out, but I'm a Kodak fan.

That said, I have had to use up whatever was left in my camera a few times and I find that sometimes the best film is the one in my camera. I'm sure anyone that has ever had to use up a few shots before reloading would agree.
 
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Alex,

If you are using a mini-lab, they will develop to a medium "standard." All you can do is ensure adequate exposure in the shadows by giving +1 stop for very contrasty situations. Modern films will hold detail very high on the exposure curve, but you will have to use a lower paper grade to deal with the contrast. This is normal.

Just so you know, I'm a dyed-in-the-wool Zone System user for sheet film, but would never do so for roll films for several reasons, not least of which is the rapid-fire and spontaneous nature of 35mm especially. For me, for roll film, the exposure system is summed up as, "expose for the shadows, adjust paper grade for the contrast." Sure, if you have control, you can adjust development times too, but since that is out of your hands, just make sure you expose well.

To expand on the concept just a bit (I'll try not to be too long-winded...)

Your in-camera meter, in bright contrasty situations, indicates an exposure that is in the middle (or higher, due to the brightness) of the exposure range. This will usually put the shadows below the exposure threshold of the film, since there are more stops of contrast between the middle reading and the shadows than in a normal scene, rendering them as clear and featureless on the negative. Adding exposure in this case is the only way to get detail in the shadows.

So, here are my "rules of thumb" for roll film, based on one standard development time.

1. For normal contrast situations, expose as the meter indicates
2. For bright, contrasty situations (snow or beach scenes, urban scenes with lots of light subjects and contrasty lighting, etc.) overexpose one stop from what the meter says.
3. For low contrast situations (cloudy days, etc.) expose as the meter indicates unless you are really worried about grain. If grain is an issue, bracket with a one-stop underexposure. The "underexposed" neg often has enough detail and, since it received less exposure, will have a bit less grain.

Best,

Doremus Scudder
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Alex1994

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Thank you once again Doremus, your advice will certainly be valuable to me. Don't worry about being long-winded, I'll read as much as I need to get the info I want.

Also, there can be a nice effect when the shadows are dark and contrast well with the light. In this situation would I use the meter reading or even underexpose by a stop?
 
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