Beseler 23cII slide carrier

[redbandit]

what are the correct slides to use with the beseler 35mm 2x2 slide carrier?

been seeing dimensions of 2mm thick on the plastic ones, but seeing 1mm for the Kodak card board. As i need a new 35mm carrier i was thinking on a slide carrier and going that method

 

[redbandit]

I actually had the time to read teh package that my 645 negative carrier came in..

on the back it says that i can get the

negatrans roll transparent carriers
8081 for 35mm
8082 for 120 6x6 and 6x7
8092 645 adapter for 120 negatrans carrier

my question is....

why does brand new stock.. carry data for products that are NOT being made in at least a decade?

 

[Ian C]

Don’t waste your money on a slide carrier. There are no printing materials made for printing color sides now. Also, the unique chemistry these materials require is no longer made. Even if you located a small quantity of this material, it would have become unusable by now.

Some folks have gotten the idea of using a glass slide mount and putting an individual negative frame into the slide mount. It might work, but it’s a jury-rigged solution at best and spoils the convenience of keeping the negatives in their original strips for easy storage in negative pages.

If you want to print negatives, you need a negative carrier. A glass carrier is by far the best choice for making consistently well-focused images whose focus is uniform from center to corners. The Beseler 23C, 23CII, and 23CIII enlargers use the 6 x 9 cm 8074 glass carrier (plain top glass) or the 8072 carrier (anti-Newton-ring top glass). Except for the top glass and the part number on the carrier, these are identical. If you install an ANR top glass in the 8074 carrier, the part number is the only difference.

These 6 x 9 cm carriers are used for all size negatives that fit into the carrier. You might want to make paper masks for smaller negatives as I do. For medium format negatives, you can simply lay paper strips across the ends of the frame to space the top glass upward. That’s usually all it takes to eliminate Newton rings. By using a mask or end strips between the negative and the top glass, you’ll prevent the formation of Newton rings. In that case, expensive and hard-to-find ANR glass is unnecessary.

It's unlikely that Beseler is currently making slide carriers. It’s probably still trying to sell off stock that was made and packaged decades ago. So far as I recall, the last slide printing materials and chemistry was discontinued about 2000 or 2001.

 

[Rick A]

I use a slide carrier to do color separation for gum and tri-color carbon using RGB filters mounted on my enlarger lens. 2x2 mounted slides are simply a 35mm color transparencies mounted in either cardboard or plastic mounts, thickness does not matter.

 

[redbandit]

lol im not into color printing... nor into actual slides..

me thoughts was that to eliminate negative damage due to trying to positiong that long ass strip of negatives into the standard negative carrier for 35mm film... i could sandwhich it inside the paper slide.. and insert that into a nice safer looking 2x2 slide carrier.

I have seen the anti newton glass universal carrier for all formats up to 6x9.. but the only places selling it seem to want 380-400$ for it...

 

[redbandit]

Don’t waste your money on a slide carrier. There are no printing materials made for printing color sides now. Also, the unique chemistry these materials require is no longer made. Even if you located a small quantity of this material, it would have become unusable by now.

Some folks have gotten the idea of using a glass slide mount and putting an individual negative frame into the slide mount. It might work, but it’s a jury-rigged solution at best and spoils the convenience of keeping the negatives in their original strips for easy storage in negative pages.

If you want to print negatives, you need a negative carrier. A glass carrier is by far the best choice for making consistently well-focused images whose focus is uniform from center to corners. The Beseler 23C, 23CII, and 23CIII enlargers use the 6 x 9 cm 8074 glass carrier (plain top glass) or the 8072 carrier (anti-Newton-ring top glass). Except for the top glass and the part number on the carrier, these are identical. If you install an ANR top glass in the 8074 carrier, the part number is the only difference.

These 6 x 9 cm carriers are used for all size negatives that fit into the carrier. You might want to make paper masks for smaller negatives as I do. For medium format negatives, you can simply lay paper strips across the ends of the frame to space the top glass upward. That’s usually all it takes to eliminate Newton rings. By using a mask or end strips between the negative and the top glass, you’ll prevent the formation of Newton rings. In that case, expensive and hard-to-find ANR glass is unnecessary.

It's unlikely that Beseler is currently making slide carriers. It’s probably still trying to sell off stock that was made and packaged decades ago. So far as I recall, the last slide printing materials and chemistry was discontinued about 2000 or 2001.

the home made paper mask road is soooo sexy...

but seriously, how does one make this mythical mask that covers the empty space inside when using smaller negatives.... AND covers up the pesky little sprocket holes in 35mm without creating any issues with making the negative thicker in process

 

[Ian C]

Paper masks are like small print mats. I make them from black construction paper sold in arts & crafts departments of stores. This is the same material that is used by young children in elementary schools for their art projects and is about 0.004” (0.10 mm) thick. The openings are laid out with a silver pencil from an art supply store. The outside is cut with scissors. The opening is cut out with the sheet lying on a piece of scrap cardboard and cut with a single edge razor guided by a steel rule.

A sheet of totally exposed, developed, and fixed RC printing paper can also be used. It works well for a stiffer mask. In this case, I make the layout with a pen on the white side. Others have made masks with stiff, thin, black plastic. I don’t where to find this material. These are thicker than the construction paper masks, but still work well. They're also more durable.

The mask lies atop the negative and is held down by the top glass. You can make masks for each format you enlarge. There isn’t enough room along the edges in a Beseler 23C glass carrier to mask the edges of a 120 negative, so I simply place two strips of material, usually cut from a sheet of RC printing paper, and lay them across the ends of the frame to space the top glass upward just far enough to prevent Newton rings.

For the thin materials I use, there is sufficient space in a Beseler 23C glass carrier for the negative and the mask or end strips. I’ve also used these masks in simple glass carriers made of two sheets of window glass with the edges carefully deburred and smoothed.

For enlarging 35 mm negatives in my Beseler 23CII, the mask obscures the sprocket holes as the glass carrier keeps negative flat within the thin depth of focus about the subject plane. Here, the subject is the negative. The mask provides the gap between the top of the negative and the bottom surface of the top glass so that Newton rings don’t occur.