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Anyone knows where is Berger now with their papers. Are they comparable to the time when Forte made 'em?

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The new Bergger VCCB is far from what it was. I have made comparison prints on both the Ilford WT and the new Bergger VCCB and there is very little difference, maybe a tad softer than the Ilford WT but hardly worth buying since you can only get the Bergger in 25 sheet packages.
The new VCCB is also as the Ilford WT not very receptive to Selenium toning.

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The new VCCB is also as the Ilford WT not very receptive to Selenium toning."

That is alarmant. What you mean with that? Not receptive:
1. in the sense that does not increase a photograph permanence, or
2. in the sense that does not change a photograph tone toward brown?
3. or both
 

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If you want a paper that tones well you might want to try the new Adox Variotone (warmtone on bright white base).
One of the "fathers" of this paper is Wolfgang Moersch and one explicit goal was tonability.
 

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In my experience Ilford Warmtone tones beautifully, better than most. Adox Variotone is also an Ilford paper.
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DanielOB, Sorry, i should have been more clear on this statement. It was the toning i was refering to not the permanence.
6 minutes in 1+10 selenium toner have not shown any change in print color. All other papers i have worked with over the years have changed tone much faster than that.

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I am working with my first 25 sheet pack of Bergger WT. I like the white base vs Ilford's WT buff base. Bergger records the lighter tones (zone 6/7) slightly better than Oriental WT while retaining the shadow detail.

My base paper was Forte Polycontrast Plus. In my short experience, Bergger WT does not split tone like Forte, tone as deep, or as brown. I show a color change after 3 min in 1:10 KRST when using TF-4 fix. Bergger is a fine WT paper, one of the few with a white base. I do wish it split-toned similar to Forte.

Ilford MGIV WT tones well in selenium. Ilford MGIV does not. To appreciate Ilford MGIV WT you should tone. 1:10 for 3 to 4 min is enough if you used an alkaline fix.
 
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God how fast all is going on this Apug. I got a hard time to find my post.
Thanks to all for your time.
Warm tone papers are not receptive to tone change by Selenium, and it is OK just because that papers already are brownish (inherently). What is to expect from Selenium on warm tone papers are extending (significiently) a photograph permanency, and increase of D-max. If Selenium can do that permanency (D-max more or less important) with ILford WarmTone papers it is all that is in need.
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And back to original question. I am particularly interested in quality of
Bergger Prestige VC (Variable Contrast) paper.
I would like that someone make some more comments on that paper and say what is new designation for that paper. On B&H site I do not see this (Prestige) paper any more.

Thanks
Daniel OB
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Quite the reverse Warm-tone papers are far more receptive ti Selenium Toning, and they'll also split tone in Selenium.

It's Bromide papers that react as you describe.

Ian
 
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