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After i bought a second hand Leica M7 for taking on vacation (the hasselblad 500 with 3 lenses wasn't that easy to carry around in the mountains...) I decided to start shooting in theatres again what I had been doing in the past. The director told me for some years after I stopped that the new ages with the digital wasn't what it was in the past. But was this the old sentiment, going back to the old days?

I heard that the leica was the ultimate quality blabla.. The best way to find out is to test it yourself. So I did. Prices are still high, but they keep at that level, so buying one, and selling next year wasn't that a big risk. So I did and bought a M7 with a 35 F2 and a 90 F2.

I used tri-x 400 and delta 3200 film. Tri-x at 1600 iso and the delta at 3200 iso for the technicians under the readers.
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Yes, I know the 1.4 lenses would have been better but the price increase between the 2 and the 1.4 was to big for me...

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So I started using this combination. As you may know, light is terrible in theatres with a lot of reds. But i only shoot black/white so I don't mind.
The rangefinder does the job and when you get used to the manual focusing after 10 rolls of film it gets a joy to play with.

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Taking the right moment is what I found out that worked for me with this camera. In the past I used an automatic body, but often was still to slow. An negative point is that you have to work hard, to get the right point focused when working manually.

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What has all this to do with ethics and philosophy you might ask me?
What happend after I scanned the images and send them to the digital photographer who did the color work (yes we can work together as a team :wink: ) is that I got a reply back from him saying:
"I cannot express myself in words what took me when I looked at the pictures.
Is it the black/white, the contrast, or that it looks like photos coming out of a archive. I like it!"

A second respons was from a mother asking if the b/w pictures would also be on the DVD because she saw some, and was attracted to it.

If people see the difference themselves and communicate with me about those pictures this makes me happy because it's the result of my hobby what they (and I) like.

Willie Jan.
 

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I liked your images...there is a wonderful timelessness to them. When I lived in NY, I enjoyed the theater, and
always found images shot in B&W to be the most interesting. Run with it.
 

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A couple of years ago, I played a small on stage role in a community theater production that allowed me the opportunity to photograph during rehearsals. For gear, I used a Leica M2 with Canon 35f2, Nikon F4 with 28f2.8, and Hasselblad with 40 Distagon.
 

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I prefer more grain and more skin , muscle and skeleton detail. I think 400 ASA switched to 1600 ASA with tri x and d76 development is way to go. Your photographs looks clinical , I love more organic details and lot dirty. I think everything , every photograph is going to be more clean and doctor apron like. I growed up with newspaper prints which less ink - cheap - more water and lot blurry , dots more disturbed and with lot interaction. I miss 70s newspaper prints more. But you will get lot better with optical prints than scans , thats for sure. You can achieve better results with 50 dollar camera , I saw at gallery. You must work on tri x and optimized development. If you cut the hairs of a hippie , he no longer a hippie , same as leica.
 
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There is no such thing overspending on rolls royce but if you dont know how to drive it , if you dont know the difference between rolls engine sound to mercedes sound , if you dont apprencite the difference between rolls leather to toyota plastic , if you dont know the walnut but the poplar , you have no business with rolls. Now willie will sell his leica and buy a nikon f for 10 dollar and spend the remaning money to fuji and ilford but hell he hates kodak.
 

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Okay, back on topic now.

Willie, did you take your pics during the actual performance? There would be tighter shooting restrictions then. Could you gain access during dress rehearsals?
 

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I did some theater photography years ago. It's a great situation--everything is arranged to look the best it can; lighting, poses, etc. I have thought about doing it again, but didn't thing people would relate to film (I don't do digital--not a policy, just a preference). Maybe I am wrong.....
 

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Time I added that I agree with another poster that frame three is the best but all are very good. Just a pity that you had to buy a Leica to produce these excellent negs when you could have done the same with a fifty dollar camera.

Clearly there is only one way to take pictures with a Leica , Willie and you have yet to learn how to do it. Fortunately we have one Leica fan here who can give you all the advice you need. :D You may not of course desire his advice.

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My daughter got her degree in theater and every play she was connected with had pictures made at "dress rehersal" (probably mispelled that) The photographer used the Leica 90mm, f:2 which really did the job. I don't think you need any faster lens. There is more light on stage than there looks like. (the lights are not that far from the actors though the camera is). Remember light falls off the square of the distance, etc, etc. If the photographer is good, most productions will be happy to allow pictures to be made. If they have already hired a photographer, he/she may not be too happy to see you.....Regards!
 
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Willie Jan

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I prefer more grain and more skin , muscle and skeleton detail. I think 400 ASA switched to 1600 ASA with tri x and d76 development is way to go. Your photographs looks clinical , I love more organic details and lot dirty. I think everything , every photograph is going to be more clean and doctor apron like. I growed up with newspaper prints which less ink - cheap - more water and lot blurry , dots more disturbed and with lot interaction. I miss 70s newspaper prints more. But you will get lot better with optical prints than scans , thats for sure. You can achieve better results with 50 dollar camera , I saw at gallery. You must work on tri x and optimized development. If you cut the hairs of a hippie , he no longer a hippie , same as leica.

I already use Fuji for 120 format, and ilford fp4+ for 4x5 :smile:

You are right that development is not yet perfect. That has to evolve this year.
But even with not being 100% perfect, the decision moment is more important to the viewer than the technical result.
And that is why I got the leica.
 
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Okay, back on topic now.

Willie, did you take your pics during the actual performance? There would be tighter shooting restrictions then. Could you gain access during dress rehearsals?

Yes frank, this was the performance. The rehearsels always take place in a school lunch room, where the environment is not that good...
The performance is with 150 kids on stage age from 5 until 16 (not Always all together). That makes it hard to make nice shots.
The last rehearsel some hours before the shows is where i can walk around the stage.
 
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Willie Jan

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Time I added that I agree with another poster that frame three is the best but all are very good. Just a pity that you had to buy a Leica to produce these excellent negs when you could have done the same with a fifty dollar camera.

Clearly there is only one way to take pictures with a Leica , Willie and you have yet to learn how to do it. Fortunately we have one Leica fan here who can give you all the advice you need. :D You may not of course desire his advice.

pentaxuser

I did not buy the leica to put it in a showcase, but to work with it. I bought one that has scratches at the side. It was unsellable because of this and i got a price somewhat higher than 10 dollar :whistling:, but half the price of the actual ebay price. So I'm not a fan, it works for me or it doesn't. I use hassy 500 and toyofield 4x5 also.
 
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