Back in June 2018, the Ferrania Folks hoped to be in continuous production by Fall

Helge said:

I've been wanting to try S100 for some time.
Do you know of a good source?
It seems it renders reds somewhat crimson/maroon though.

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Well, unfortunately I don't know of a current official source for easy international shipping. If I need film from Japan, I contact a friend in Tokyo.

Best regards,
Henning

Henning Serger said:

Well, unfortunately I don't know of a current official source for easy international shipping. If I need film from Japan, I contact a friend in Tokyo.

Best regards,
Henning

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Everyone should have a friend in Tokyo.

on eBay, it looks like you can get a roll of the fujicolor 100 for about $15 USD. I don't know if that's really worth it.

Henning Serger said:

Prices of used film cameras are generally increasing for some years now because of the film revival = higher demand for film cameras. And that is indeed a good development.
Only 25€ for such a good camera like the OM-1n was a very bad sign, as the market demonstrates by such low prices that the camera is considered having a very low value.
Meanwhile fortunately such nice cameras got much more of the appreciation on the used market that they really deserve.

Best regards,
Henning

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Perhaps I was lucky on that day. Seller uploaded some dull photos of the article which might have created some doubts.

Nevertheless, the prices have gone up and almost to two-fold compared to few years ago.

On the other hand side a good digital (full-frame) cameras have became pricey enough that it almost became a dream to own one.

But the prices of good lenses are kind of stable though.

baachitraka said:

On the other hand side a good digital (full-frame) cameras have became pricey enough that it almost became a dream to own one.

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I supose you refer to new models. For example, my Canon 5D MkII is sold for peanuts in the second hand nowadays compared to the retail price back in 2009 (2500€).

I will be always grateful to digital imaging because it let me buy equipment between 2009-2013 completely out of my league. I bought a Pentax 67II that I will be not able to buy again today, and some people got a complete Hasseblad 500C kit for 400€. The situation those days was typical of a business dissapearing, price increases indicates the opposite trend and gives hope for the future.

Prest_400 said:

Good timing to run into this thread after discussing with a photo friend about Lomo F2, which was old Ferrania 400 color neg. The last note was wondering about when Ferrania would be able to release some color product given all the accumulated difficulties.

The Orwo news I saw online, and it would be interesting that the Inoviscoad/FIlmoted (?) product to be re-released under an Orwo brand, even if the rest is avaialble as Lomography at a very marked up price. As a comment to the appreciation of cameras, I am even trying to find a cheap, as in very cheap decent m42 standard lens (Helios 44, Takumars) and so far haven't been lucky at the giveaway prices one would have gotten them years ago.

I know one of the projects that has had difficulties is Adox Polywarmtone, finally released as an emulsion but not as a coated paper. I am looking forward to the finished product when it is possible, and its gorgeous qualitites.

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Oh man, let's just kidding you a little.
Do I want a rationale for you to look for cheaper products?
You are a Swedish prince, man.
What is the matter ,, and what do we do in Egypt then?
Oh man, enjoy life and you should spend money on the hobby that you love, why do you store your money in the bank and part of it in the basement of the house?
What would you benefit if the angel of death came to you tomorrow or today, would you offer him a bribe so that he postpone your death?
If I were you, I would have opened a current account with all the companies selling analog films.
- You talk about Russian lenses while you live in Hasselblad, I get really weird.
You definitely don't have a Volvo, shame.
My dream was to own a Volvo and I had it for 10 years, but I had to sell it for economic reasons.
You are a stingy man
Just two days ago, I started listening to an Arab literary novel, which is one of the most important satirical philosophical novels in the Arab Islamic heritage and is under the name (The Pundits). The author of this book is called (Al-Jahiz). This man does not know his nationality specifically, but he used to live In ((Tashkent - Uzbekistan)) when the Islamic Empire was ruling those countries.
This book was discovered by a French orientalist about 200 years ago, and it was originally published about 1000 years ago.
This book precisely explains the psychological current of the squatters and their inner feelings about money.
And it has been said by some scholars that it is one of the best books that dealt with studying and explaining the psychological state of miserliness with precision and how they think and how they behave.
I advise you to read this book ,, you will find translations for it in all languages, available on the Internet for free, I know that you will not purchase it,
You will read about yourself as if you were looking in the mirror.
I think that this book will make you change your view of yourself and thus change your view on life.

Greetings to you .

HEY, Guess who just posted on facebook!


"FILM Ferrania
is in
Cairo Montenotte
.
56m ·
Ciao a tutti!
We apologize for the silence of the past several months. Our team is healthy, but the pandemic has caused plenty of chaos in our factory.
Despite that, we have managed to make progress on some very important infrastructure projects. We still have a bit more tweaking and testing to do before everything is working properly, but as of today, we are very close to making all of our film 100% in-house.
This is not an announcement of a relaunch date. There are still too many variables to make an accurate prediction - but things are in motion again. When we have concrete dates to announce, you will hear from us again."

so the project may still have some hope.

mind you - P30 in 35mm is still sold out.

I still have yet to receive my reward of one of the first 500 numbered rolls. At this point I'm assuming it's gone out the window since more than 500 have been produced I'm sure. To add insult to injury, after following instructions and creating an account on their website, I have yet to see any kind of credit applied.

So previously they have not been making the film "in house", whatever that means?

Helge said:

So previously they have not been making the film "in house", whatever that means?

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Finishing wasn’t made in house, only coating... maybe pancakes were slit in house, but I don’t think so. They sent the “mini jumbo rolls” for a partner that would slit, perforate, “sign” (expose film name and frame numbers), load into 135-type cassetes and pack these. They never revealed who that partner is, but they the partner were was cited as a bottleneck in the production process.

ChristopherCoy said:

I still have yet to receive my reward of one of the first 500 numbered rolls. At this point I'm assuming it's gone out the window since more than 500 have been produced I'm sure. To add insult to injury, after following instructions and creating an account on their website, I have yet to see any kind of credit applied.

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the Kickstarter backers were supposed to be receiving a credit in the web store over time, for the amount of the Pledge.. It will likely be a while before the colour film is readdy to be produced. (the materials for what was suposed to be the initial batch of color film were ruined when asbestos was discovered in the building.) of course the COVID situation has thrown everything back at least a year.

ChristopherCoy said:

I still have yet to receive my reward of one of the first 500 numbered rolls. At this point I'm assuming it's gone out the window since more than 500 have been produced I'm sure. To add insult to injury, after following instructions and creating an account on their website, I have yet to see any kind of credit applied.

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Oh no, not again...

Good to hear that they are advancing !

Well I'm happy to hear they still made progress despite the pandemic! It really created havoc in the supply chain, some things that were almost commodities one year ago (i.e. many electronic components) now have many months of lead time.

cmacd123 said:

the Kickstarter backers were supposed to be receiving a credit in the web store over time, for the amount of the Pledge..

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Yes I know... but even that hasn't happened yet. I've pretty much given up all hope and will probably refuse to ever buy that film. I don't even know that I'd shoot it if it were given to me freely. I realize that they probably bit off more than they could chew taking on such an enormous task, and I've attempted to give them the benefit of the doubt for as long as I could, but now it's just turning into a serious resentment. I mean hell, mail me a sticker with a $25 I.O.U. on the back or something.

fdonadio said:

They sent the “mini jumbo rolls” for a partner that would slit, perforate, “sign” (expose film name and frame numbers), load into 135-type cassetes and pack these. They never revealed who that partner is, but they the partner were was cited as a bottleneck in the production process.

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Flavio, their confectioning partner themself was quite frankly and explained at the last two Photokina fairs that they are doing it for them. It has been an Italian partner with decades of experience in the film photography distribution business, but being a newcomer in the film confectioning / converting business. They bought used 135 film converting machinery in Germany and started operation for Film Ferrania. But as Film Ferrania has bought lots of former film converting machinery from former Ferrania (with the capital of the 2014 Kickstarter project), it has always been Film Ferrania's long term strategy to do the film confectioning in-house and under own control.

Best regards,
Henning

I have shot a roll or two of their alpha film, and will probably use my credits to purchase new film when available. The film I have shot has dense shadows when scanned. Sometimes that is a look I like, but probably need to optimize my exposure and development to bring out some detail. I invested in their Kickstarter at a time when Kodak had left the E-6 market and there was only one manufacturer. Now that E100 is back, this is not as urgent. I do hope that if Ferrania gets back on course for E-6 film, that they go for a 400 ISO film to differentiate from the current Fuji/Kodak 50/100 speed films.

I hope they eventually have the capability of producing bulk rolls. My general rule of thumb is that I don't know a film until I have shot 100 feet of it. I like to shoot short rolls at first to figure out the basics before going to 36 exposure rolls.

Henning Serger said:

Flavio, their confectioning partner themself was quite frankly and explained at the last two Photokina fairs that they are doing it for them

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Thanks for the heads-up, Henning! I didn’t know about that.

Any more updates from the ferrania folks?

Nzoomed said:

Any more updates from the ferrania folks?

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I have just, casually, followed their progress here.
I get the feeling they are walking a financial tightrope......but maybe they are fine.?
Not even sure what they sell.

P-30 B&W film in 35mm.
do they have some type of 120 also.?
And i guess they make a 16mm and 8mm movie film.?

I went to their website and clicked on ... "Shop" ... to see what all they have, and that page only says................
Welcome!
-Sorry! We are currently sold out. We will make an announcement when production resumes.
Follow us on social media or subscribe to our mailing list to be informed.

Seems like a God-Awful way to market your product on your own website
Maybe there are better parts of their site to look at inventory.?

I am in the usa. They might have much bigger Exposure/Advertising in Italy and Europe.

CMoore said:

I am in the usa. They might have much bigger Exposure/Advertising in Italy and Europe.

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They do? I've only ever heard about them on (american) websites, i.e since their initial Kickstarter and a million blog posts, Youtube etc. I don't want to knock any European film enthusiasts (I'm one of them) but let's be honest it's (still) a North American centered film revival/renaissance/death watch.

Nzoomed said:

Any more updates from the ferrania folks?

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Look at www.filmferrania.com.

Azkaltia said:

but let's be honest it's (still) a North American centered film revival/renaissance/death watch.

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What ?!

Lots of statements above which lead me to scratch my metaphorical beard.

Now pay attention at the back.

As stated probably a thousand times here and elsewhere, Film Ferrania is currently a tiny concern consisting of a handful of people. The product they currently sell is P30 B&W film in 135 format. No other formats. No other film. They have stated, also a thousand times, that other formats will be introduced once they are able to complete the manufacturing process in house. Until now they've been relying on a partner business to actually "confection" the film into 135 canisters and package it in boxes. If the web shop says they are sold out, then they are sold out of 135 P30 film.

The next step, once they achieve in-house production of 135, is 120 and then other formats. 127 has been mentioned and we know they ultimately have plans for 8mm and 16mm cine film. Achieving in-house production means restoring the old machinery which takes raw film and churns out 135 cassettes to working condition and making it reliable again. And those machines are very complicated. It will take a bit of time, and they have stated that the next major update to their website and social media channels will be when this is done. Meanwhile research is ongoing into other B&W film and into colour film. But we won't see that for a while. No doubt they need cash flow and they have decided that the best way to achieve that is to ultimately get a reliable stream of P30 on sale, as it has proved popular.

There is also the small matter of a global plague. This has messed up supply chains worldwide, for raw materials such as chemicals, film base material, spare parts for machines and so on. Also consider that Film Ferrania is based near the part of Italy which was the first badly affected part of Europe and will have faced total lockdown at times with the Ferrania folk literally not permitted by law to work. Several are also quite advanced in years and will have been instructed to stay home for that reason too. Everything has been set back months or longer.

They have considerable presence on Facebook, Instagram and twitter, That is where the updates appear first. Their website filmferrania.it also has an archive of all the news updates, videos and so on. And a statement that they will next post when they've achieved in-house production. They are perhaps the most transparent manufacturer of any product I've ever come across, which is why it gets my goat when people don't seem to know what's happening with them, or complain that they're not yet making Chrome 400 film in some obscure format

Regarding the film revival only being in the USA.....I have no clue why someone would think this. really. People in many parts of the world have posted that they're seeing tangible increases in film usage...from ordinary consumers to photo retailers and a respected industry expert. It is by now well known that Kodak and Fuji cannot keep up with demand for colour negative or reversal film, and have been struggling to do so for about three years. The plague has only made matters worse in that regard as it is also well known that various restrictions and lockdowns did not result in any slow down in film sales. Ilford and Foma in the B&W world seem to manage OK with demand as it is rising slower than for colour. The effects are seen worldwide, not only in observing people buying film but in sales figures.

Agulliver said:

Regarding the film revival only being in the USA.....I have no clue why someone would think this. really. People in many parts of the world have posted that they're seeing tangible increases in film usage...from ordinary consumers to photo retailers and a respected industry expert. It is by now well known that Kodak and Fuji cannot keep up with demand for colour negative or reversal film, and have been struggling to do so for about three years. The plague has only made matters worse in that regard as it is also well known that various restrictions and lockdowns did not result in any slow down in film sales. Ilford and Foma in the B&W world seem to manage OK with demand as it is rising slower than for colour. The effects are seen worldwide, not only in observing people buying film but in sales figures.

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Oh, I'm fully aware that it's far from being a North American (let us not forget the Canadian's please) pursuit. That's misconstruing what I posted. I wanted to say that the early "engine" of that revival has been from there. Any casual look at a million Youtube videos / blogs on "film photography" should convince anyone of that. I sure the makeup of this forum (not to mention the language) reflects that too.

Back to Ferrania, I find it brilliant that they've managed so far, Covid and all. When they're ready to produce more, I'll buy some

https://www.filmferrania.com/where-to-buy shows the dealers who have sold some of the film. Most of them are naturally in Italy!
only product released so far is the P30 B&W in 35mm. I did get an order of 10 rolls shortly before the site changed to out of stock.
in between lock downs they did mention that they had coated a batch of P30 suitable for 120, and they believed that they were "close" to being able to convert 120 in house. this is amid 6 months of lock downs.
everyone would love it if they survive and represent another source of a Unique film, rather then all the folks who take reject and damaged film and sell it to the ART market.

looking at the European area dealers - find that one in the UK called "analogue Wonderland shows that they have just received some stock of the P30- 135
https://analoguewonderland.co.uk/products/ferrania-p30-35mm-film-b-w-iso-80

CMoore said:

I have just, casually, followed their progress here.
I get the feeling they are walking a financial tightrope......but maybe they are fine.?
Not even sure what they sell.

P-30 B&W film in 35mm.
do they have some type of 120 also.?
And i guess they make a 16mm and 8mm movie film.?

I went to their website and clicked on ... "Shop" ... to see what all they have, and that page only says................
Welcome!
-Sorry! We are currently sold out. We will make an announcement when production resumes.
Follow us on social media or subscribe to our mailing list to be informed.

Seems like a God-Awful way to market your product on your own website
Maybe there are better parts of their site to look at inventory.?

I am in the usa. They might have much bigger Exposure/Advertising in Italy and Europe.

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It does appear they are still producing P30 film, im sure their income stream is thin and they are doing things slowly as funds allow.
I know there was an interview with Dave Bias not too long ago and he gave some updates. From what I can tell, they pretty much have almost 100% capability to perform in-house conversion for film, I know they had a bit of trouble with 120 film, but I think they have got this sorted now.
Im keeping my credit in the store for colour film, but I might try a roll or two of P30 at some point.