B&W iso 400 film with 72 exp.

WRSchmalfuss · Jul 27, 2007

135/72 film

Why should this film not come with the processing included? For example, dr5 and other pro labs, have absolutely no problem in properly processing such a long film.

In these days, where the analogue lab services are getting more and more specialized, I guess this would be a good solution.

Cheers

varjag · Jul 27, 2007

I'd be interested, as normally I'm not concerned about seeing results of a shoot same day.. and when photographing an event, the rolls just keep running through. Why not more in the same package then?

Not sure though how my M4 counter would like a 72 exp. roll. I suspect it'll just cycle over.

removed account4 · Jul 27, 2007

i use a 1/2 frame camera, and get 72 exposures all the time!
would a "clutch" in a 35mm camera be able to take the extra tension?

just wonderin'

Fotohuis · Jul 30, 2007

OK. Everybody thanks for the input.

The decision has been made that this film will be available from Oktober 2007 in bulk 30,5m or maybe 50m only so that for these special users there is maximum flexibility how to use it.

USA dealers who are interested can contact me. I will forward them to the manufacturer.

Best regards,

Robert

AgX · Jul 30, 2007

Robert,

That material is originally designed for aero cameras with suction plates. Have you considerd that flatness issue with our common 35mm cameras?

Fotohuis · Jul 30, 2007

This manufacturer has a lot of experience in polyester film material and additional features to keep it flat. So I do not think this will be a real issue.

WRSchmalfuss · Jul 31, 2007

Flatness issue

AgX said:
Robert,

That material is originally designed for aero cameras with suction plates. Have you considerd that flatness issue with our common 35mm cameras?

With my CONTAX RTS III, with its film vacuum system, I will have no problem at all with, this kind of film, and others should not be scared either!

Brac · Aug 2, 2007

A product that 82% of people in the Poll have indicated they see no advantage in, is going to be introduced anyway, yet a choice of black & white film in 220 size which judging by posts on this site hundreds are screaming for is still just a dream. It's a strange world.

waynecrider · Aug 2, 2007

I could see a better application for the film then 35mm. Try 120 for 617, 612, 616 cameras.

ic-racer · Aug 3, 2007

Since my Rollies all have 72 exposure backs, this would be great. I still have about 10 rolls of the original HP5 72 exposure. I have the 72 exposure pressure plates also, but found that the standard one worked best because the thin film popped a little in the middle (so being farther BACK was better).
I found some Copex and it is thin, and I can get about 60 shots to a roll.

AgX · Aug 3, 2007

Brac said:
A product that 82% of people in the Poll have indicated they see no advantage in, is going to be introduced anyway, yet a choice of black & white film in 220 size which judging by posts on this site hundreds are screaming for is still just a dream. It's a strange world.

Brac,

Yes this is strange. Especially as there were several films new released as 60mm type 120 films. I really don't see the difficulties in making a type 220 out of 60mm stock.
(Might it be those machinery has gone to the junk yard?)

It would be interesting if Robert's new film would be newly coated or, as more common these days, cut from stock. Agfa, which is experienced in coating on PET indeed, offers their Aviphot Pan 400 S on 60y base too. Cutting this film to 35mm would mean competing with Maco who sell this emulsion as Rollei Infrared in 35mm too (even as bulk). The difference would only be the base thickness. Or, seen that he has hinted before at visiting Prague, it could come from Foma. A Foma 400 on different base.

Brac, anyway I see any activity in offering new sizes/types as something positive. Even when users are rather calling for something different.

(79 people giving any vote out of over 20.000 members is not great either...)

dynachrome · Aug 3, 2007

72 Exposure B&W Film

Wayne,

I read on photo.net that Kodak will make a 20,000 roll run of regular Tri-X (the 400 speed kind) in 220 size later this year. I hope this works out so another run of Plus-X or maybe a run of TMX could be run in 220 size.

waynecrider · Aug 3, 2007

dynachrome said:
Wayne,

I read on photo.net that Kodak will make a 20,000 roll run of regular Tri-X (the 400 speed kind) in 220 size later this year. I hope this works out so another run of Plus-X or maybe a run of TMX could be run in 220 size.

They'd probably make as much money rolling it in 620.

TXP is in stock at B&H if interested.

I'd love to see some 70mm stuff in b&w. Is there any anywhere?

Nick Zentena · Aug 3, 2007

waynecrider said:
I'd love to see some 70mm stuff in b&w. Is there any anywhere?

Efke ran a lot of unperforated. I wonder if Fotoimpex could get some more cut for us if we asked nicely.

Kodak up to a little while ago still had one offering but I haven't looked.

Brac · Aug 10, 2007

AgX said:
Brac,

Yes this is strange. Especially as there were several films new released as 60mm type 120 films. I really don't see the difficulties in making a type 220 out of 60mm stock.
(Might it be those machinery has gone to the junk yard?)

It would be interesting if Robert's new film would be newly coated or, as more common these days, cut from stock. Agfa, which is experienced in coating on PET indeed, offers their Aviphot Pan 400 S on 60y base too. Cutting this film to 35mm would mean competing with Maco who sell this emulsion as Rollei Infrared in 35mm too (even as bulk). The difference would only be the base thickness. Or, seen that he has hinted before at visiting Prague, it could come from Foma. A Foma 400 on different base.

Brac, anyway I see any activity in offering new sizes/types as something positive. Even when users are rather calling for something different.

(79 people giving any vote out of over 20.000 members is not great either...)

Hi AgX

I see what you're saying but as far as 220 film is concerned it needs different machinery and special leaders & trailers (for which Ilford say there is a huge minimum order required equivalent to many years supply) so the fact that a new film can be introduced in 120 size doesn't unfortunately mean it could easily be made in 220.

As to the re-introduction of 72exp film, I don't think it would be positive if it is a flop and I rather suspect it will be. You point out how few people have voted and to me this indicates mass indifference so apart from the few people on this thread who feel they have a need for it, I don't see many of those 20,000 members rushing out to buy it. And the whole point of this poll thread was to see if there was a demand and clearly apart from a few people there isn't. That's what puzzles me, the pointers are that there won't be much of a market for this product yet it will be introduced anyway. Ilford learnt the hard way that you can only manufacture profitably those products people need/want not what you think they ought to want. Oh well, we shall see!

trip_wt · Nov 8, 2007

Any news?

Is there any more news on this film? Has it gone into production yet and do any dealers have it in stock?

Fotohuis said:
OK. Everybody thanks for the input.

The decision has been made that this film will be available from Oktober 2007 in bulk 30,5m or maybe 50m only so that for these special users there is maximum flexibility how to use it.

USA dealers who are interested can contact me. I will forward them to the manufacturer.

Best regards,

Robert

Fotohuis · Jan 25, 2008

In the mean time the new Rollei film is there:

Rollei SUPERPAN 200 S80

135-72 (approx. 330cm lenght) and bulk-film with approx. 51 Meter (20") lenght.

It's in fact a thinner layer version from the new Rollei Pan 200 prof. which is going to be introduced on the Photokina 2008 in Cologne in 35mm, 120 roll film and sheet film.
This film will replace the Rollei Retro 100/400 (READ Agfa APX 100/400 (new) ) films which worldwide stock is going to be depleted during this year (2008).

Here a first impression and test (in Moersch FINOL-staining developer) of the new Rollei SUPER Pan 200 prof. film:

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Enjoy the new material!

Best regards and have a nice week end!

Robert

David A. Goldfarb · Jan 25, 2008

The tests look interesting, but how does one process a 72 exp. roll of film? I have a Lomo tank for movie film, but that's a lot of chemistry for 72 exp., and most people don't have these or the old Ilford 72 exp. reels. Is Rollei coming out with a reel and tank for this purpose?

Fotohuis · Jan 25, 2008

Indeed: Movietank, Ilford (72) reels or make a marker around 40 exposures (sticker-on the film surface, via the lens opening) so that you can find the marker back and cut the film for an e.g. 2x 135-40 1520 Jobo tank reel development.

For commercial development it will not be any problem in a standard roller machine.

Best regards,

Robert

WRSchmalfuss · Jan 31, 2008

72 exp film

AgX said:
Robert,

That material is originally designed for aero cameras with suction plates. Have you considerd that flatness issue with our common 35mm cameras?

At least, my CONTAX RTS III will be working perfectly with this new film!

Xmas · Jan 31, 2008

I still have nine cans of 68m lengths of thin based Agfa 400 ASA (now past its exp date), it is most convenient in that you load the bulk loader with more. But you can still load the cassette with 36, and load normal reels. I'd buy some more of the longer bulk cans if they were available.
Now 220 would allow me to use more film in my Roll film cameras, and I could still process it, so the marketing people seem to me trying to sell ice cream to Eskimos? I spend ages loading 120 film in a shoot, a blad and 10 backs in only 120 exp.
Longer bulk loads and 220 I'll buy, 72 exp cassettes I'd not buy.
Noel

B&W iso 400 film with 72 exp.

What about a 72 exposures 35mm B&W iso 400 film

Yes, I see some advantages in such a film

No, I don't see any advantages at all

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B&W iso 400 film with 72 exp.

What about a 72 exposures 35mm B&W iso 400 film

Yes, I see some advantages in such a film

No, I don't see any advantages at all

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