B&W Infrared film (35mm)

[CHX]

Is there a list out there somewhere of 35mm B&W "true" IR film still in production? I know there Ilford SFX 200, but I understand this is red-extend rather than "true" IR. Is there anything at all?

 

[Xmas]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/9822407@N02/14443683344/


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[CHX]

I thought that Efke / Fotokemika went bust?

 

[Alan W]

http://www.freestylephoto.biz/81040122-Rollei-Infrared-400-iso-35mm-x-36-exp.-2-pack As far as I know this is the only one left.

 

[CHX]

Thanks, Alan. Glad there does seem to be something still out there - and not a bad price either! Hope I can find some this side of the pond.

 

[Alex Muir]

Silverprint and Ag Photographic sell the Rollei 400 IR in the UK.
Alex

 

[ME Super]

The Rollei IR400s gives a nice IR (Wood) effect with an IR filter. I've also seen IR done with the Rollei Retro 80s, but haven't tried that film myself. The IR400s can also be used as a panchromatic film with no filter, however I prefer the look of the Ilford HP5+ for that. Not saying the Rollei IR400s is a bad (or even mediocre) panchromatic film, just that I prefer the look of HP5+ as a regular B&W film.

 

[pedrocruz]

Rollei 80s will go as far as 780nm, which is the farthest any current consumer b/w film goes nowadays.

 

[Alex Muir]

Rollei Retro 400s also gives an obvious IR look when used with the R72, or similar filters.
Alex

 

[Henning Serger]

Besides the Ilford SFX 200 you have the following options.

- Rollei Retro 80S (= Agfa-Gevaert Aviphot Pan 80: http://www.agfa.com/sp/global/en/binaries/AVIPHOT PAN 80_tcm611-42585.pdf )

- Rollei Superpan 200 = Rollei Retro 400S = Rollei Infrared ( = Agfa-Gevaert Aviphot Pan 200: http://www.agfa.com/sp/global/en/binaries/AVIPHOT PAN 200_tcm611-42586.pdf

The only difference between Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Retro 400S on the one hand, and Rollei Infrared on the other hand is that Rollei Infrared as 120 roll film is finished by Ilford, whereas Superpan 200 and Retro 400S 120 are finished by Foma.
But the film is the same, Aviphot Pan 200.
135 films are all finished by the same German finishing company.
If you shoot these three films side by side under identical conditions you see clearly that they are identical.
And this information is also official by Maco.

Retro 80S and Superpan / 400S / Infrared all give excellent IR results in combination with a 715nm or 720nm IR filter.
They can also be reversal developed as BW transparencies with excellent results.

Here are some examples from me:

1. Retro 80S with Heliopan RG 715 IR filter. Developed as BW slide by Klaus Wehner ( www.schwarz-weiss-dia.de ), scan by www.high-end-scans.de:

http://www.high-end-scans.de/img/bilder/web/Serger_SWD_RR80S_03_4000ppi.jpg

http://www.high-end-scans.de/img/bilder/web/Serger_SWD_RR80S_04_4000ppi.jpg

http://www.high-end-scans.de/img/bilder/web/Serger_SWD_RR80S_05_4000ppi.jpg

2. Rollei Superpan 200 with Heliopan RG 715 IR Filter. Developed as BW slide by Photo Studio 13 ( www.photostudio13.de ), scan by www.high-end-scan.de:

http://www.high-end-scans.de/img/bilder/web/Serger_SWD_RS200_01_4000ppi.jpg

http://www.high-end-scans.de/img/bilder/web/Serger_SWD_RS200_02_4000ppi.jpg

Of course these pictures look best in projection.
A BW infrared slide in projection is breathtaking, and absolutely unique.

Best regards,
Henning

 

[StoneNYC]

Besides the Ilford SFX 200 you have the following options.

- Rollei Retro 80S (= Agfa-Gevaert Aviphot Pan 80: http://www.agfa.com/sp/global/en/binaries/AVIPHOT PAN 80_tcm611-42585.pdf )

- Rollei Superpan 200 = Rollei Retro 400S = Rollei Infrared ( = Agfa-Gevaert Aviphot Pan 200: http://www.agfa.com/sp/global/en/binaries/AVIPHOT PAN 200_tcm611-42586.pdf

The only difference between Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Retro 400S on the one hand, and Rollei Infrared on the other hand is that Rollei Infrared as 120 roll film is finished by Ilford, whereas Superpan 200 and Retro 400S 120 are finished by Foma.
But the film is the same, Aviphot Pan 200.
135 films are all finished by the same German finishing company.
If you shoot these three films side by side under identical conditions you see clearly that they are identical.
And this information is also official by Maco.

Retro 80S and Superpan / 400S / Infrared all give excellent IR results in combination with a 715nm or 720nm IR filter.
They can also be reversal developed as BW transparencies with excellent results.

Here are some examples from me:

1. Retro 80S with Heliopan RG 715 IR filter. Developed as BW slide by Klaus Wehner ( www.schwarz-weiss-dia.de ), scan by www.high-end-scans.de:

http://www.high-end-scans.de/img/bilder/web/Serger_SWD_RR80S_03_4000ppi.jpg

http://www.high-end-scans.de/img/bilder/web/Serger_SWD_RR80S_04_4000ppi.jpg

http://www.high-end-scans.de/img/bilder/web/Serger_SWD_RR80S_05_4000ppi.jpg

2. Rollei Superpan 200 with Heliopan RG 715 IR Filter. Developed as BW slide by Photo Studio 13 ( www.photostudio13.de ), scan by www.high-end-scan.de:

http://www.high-end-scans.de/img/bilder/web/Serger_SWD_RS200_01_4000ppi.jpg

http://www.high-end-scans.de/img/bilder/web/Serger_SWD_RS200_02_4000ppi.jpg

Of course these pictures look best in projection.
A BW infrared slide in projection is breathtaking, and absolutely unique.

Best regards,
Henning

What about the Rollie IR 4x5 sheet film? The new stuff? It's listed on the box as 200 not 400 like the 120 Rollie IR roll film is... Is it different? If not, why would it be labeled a stop slower?

 

[CHX]

Thanks for the info there. It's interesting to be compare the spectral sensitivity - it will be an interesting time getting used to this film!

 

[Roger Cole]

Besides the Ilford SFX 200 you have the following options.

- Rollei Retro 80S (= Agfa-Gevaert Aviphot Pan 80: http://www.agfa.com/sp/global/en/binaries/AVIPHOT PAN 80_tcm611-42585.pdf )

- Rollei Superpan 200 = Rollei Retro 400S = Rollei Infrared ( = Agfa-Gevaert Aviphot Pan 200: http://www.agfa.com/sp/global/en/binaries/AVIPHOT PAN 200_tcm611-42586.pdf

The only difference between Rollei Superpan 200, Rollei Retro 400S on the one hand, and Rollei Infrared on the other hand is that Rollei Infrared as 120 roll film is finished by Ilford, whereas Superpan 200 and Retro 400S 120 are finished by Foma.
But the film is the same, Aviphot Pan 200.
135 films are all finished by the same German finishing company.
If you shoot these three films side by side under identical conditions you see clearly that they are identical.
And this information is also official by Maco.

Retro 80S and Superpan / 400S / Infrared all give excellent IR results in combination with a 715nm or 720nm IR filter.
They can also be reversal developed as BW transparencies with excellent results.

Here are some examples from me:

1. Retro 80S with Heliopan RG 715 IR filter. Developed as BW slide by Klaus Wehner ( www.schwarz-weiss-dia.de ), scan by www.high-end-scans.de:

http://www.high-end-scans.de/img/bilder/web/Serger_SWD_RR80S_03_4000ppi.jpg

http://www.high-end-scans.de/img/bilder/web/Serger_SWD_RR80S_04_4000ppi.jpg

http://www.high-end-scans.de/img/bilder/web/Serger_SWD_RR80S_05_4000ppi.jpg

2. Rollei Superpan 200 with Heliopan RG 715 IR Filter. Developed as BW slide by Photo Studio 13 ( www.photostudio13.de ), scan by www.high-end-scan.de:

http://www.high-end-scans.de/img/bilder/web/Serger_SWD_RS200_01_4000ppi.jpg

http://www.high-end-scans.de/img/bilder/web/Serger_SWD_RS200_02_4000ppi.jpg

Of course these pictures look best in projection.
A BW infrared slide in projection is breathtaking, and absolutely unique.

Best regards,
Henning

What a cool idea. I've been wanting to play with reversal processing black and white for slides. I hadn't thought to use some of the frozen Efke 820IR I have for that. Very cool, thanks!

 

[Henning Serger]

What about the Rollie IR 4x5 sheet film? The new stuff? It's listed on the box as 200 not 400 like the 120 Rollie IR roll film is... Is it different? If not, why would it be labeled a stop slower?

Dear Stone,

I have not used the Rollei IR sheet film so far. I've used all the Rollei IR capable films in 35mm and 120 format.
But the CEO of Maco Photo Products / Rollei-Film told me that Rollei IR as sheet film is not Agfa Aviphot Pan 200 (in 35mm and 120 it is that film, see above), but Agfa Aviphot Pan 400 (in their tests the Aviphot Pan 400 worked a little bit better as sheet film as the 200 version, therefore they have chosen the 400 as sheet film).
As the Aviphot Pan 200 is not a real ISO 200/24° (real speed is lower), the Aviphot Pan 400 is also not a real ISO 400/27° film. Therefore probably the recommendation on the box to expose it at ISO 200/24°.

Best regards,
Henning

 

[Henning Serger]

Hello Roger,

What a cool idea. I've been wanting to play with reversal processing black and white for slides. I hadn't thought to use some of the frozen Efke 820IR I have for that. Very cool, thanks!

you're welcome.
But please consider: Efke IR 820 is a completely different film. I am using the Rollei films (Agfa Aviphot Pan aerial films) as IR transparency films. And the reults are excellent.
But I don't know whether the Efke will work properly in reversal processing. I've never done it with this film.
You have to do some tests by yourself.
I wish you success for it.

Best regards,
Henning

 

[StoneNYC]

Dear Stone,

I have not used the Rollei IR sheet film so far. I've used all the Rollei IR capable films in 35mm and 120 format.
But the CEO of Maco Photo Products / Rollei-Film told me that Rollei IR as sheet film is not Agfa Aviphot Pan 200 (in 35mm and 120 it is that film, see above), but Agfa Aviphot Pan 400 (in their tests the Aviphot Pan 400 worked a little bit better as sheet film as the 200 version, therefore they have chosen the 400 as sheet film).
As the Aviphot Pan 200 is not a real ISO 200/24° (real speed is lower), the Aviphot Pan 400 is also not a real ISO 400/27° film. Therefore probably the recommendation on the box to expose it at ISO 200/24°.

Best regards,
Henning

So is the IR sensitivity the same? Less/more?

Thanks for the detailed info!

 

[Roger Cole]

Hello Roger,



you're welcome.
But please consider: Efke IR 820 is a completely different film. I am using the Rollei films (Agfa Aviphot Pan aerial films) as IR transparency films. And the reults are excellent.
But I don't know whether the Efke will work properly in reversal processing. I've never done it with this film.
You have to do some tests by yourself.
I wish you success for it.

Best regards,
Henning

Good point - not all BW films reverse well. But it will be worth a try since I have it. If it doesn't work I can shoot it as negatives and get the Rollei for reversal.

 

[pdeeh]

Efke820 is notoriously a bit delicate isn't it? So one would have to be careful with one's choice of bleach - dichromate rather than permanganate I suppose?

 

[Henning Serger]

So is the IR sensitivity the same? Less/more?

Thanks for the detailed info!

IR sensivity is similar, but not completely identical, at least due to the data sheets:
http://www.agfa.com/sp/global/en/binaries/AVIPHOT PAN 200_tcm611-42586.pdf

http://www.agfa.com/sp/global/en/binaries/AVIPHOT PAN 400S_tcm611-42587.pdf

You probably will not see a significant difference in real life shots.The shooting conditions and the IR reflection of your subjects will have much more influence.

Best regards,
Henning