Avoiding LF becuse it's too expensive?? (Oh NO. Another bottom feeder thread)

jimgalli · Jul 12, 2005

I marvel at what can be had at the auction site for about the cost of 2 tanks of gasoline! I bid on this funky old B&J 5X7 because honestly, I need some Packard Shutters and they seem to fetch about the same as this whole camera did.

It arrived last night and clearly it has sat in some hot rafters unprotected for probably 35 years. The glue holding the bellows to the front had given up and it was VERY dirty, and slightly rusty. I paid $56. On closer examination though I discovered a fairly late 1950's to mid 1960's Burke & James 5X7 complete with a much older Bausch & Lomb 5X7 Tessar Ic f6.3 barrel lens. Probably sold by B&J on the same day. Even though these cameras aren't on anybody's dream camera list, I didn't have the heart to canibalize it.

Stay with me, the next part will make you smile. I filled the darkroom sink with hot soapy water..........and gave it a bath. Took it apart and gave everything except the lens and packard a good scrub with a soft brush. In Nevada where I live I can get away with that. It was 95 degrees yesterday afternoon with relative humidity of around 4%. After I scrubbed, I simply toweled off and let the pieces sit on the pickup tailgate to finish drying which takes less than 5 minutes.

When all the pieces were clean, I got the Carnauba wax and some WD-40 and re-assembled each piece with any wood-wood or wood-metal surfaces getting some wax, and any metal-metal surfaces getting some lube. I glued the bellows back to the front standard with contact cement and Voila! It was ready to make fine art contact prints in a little under 2 hours.

I called a high school pal that has been chomping at the bit to give the LF photos a try and told him I had a camera for him. He's a far better artist by accident than I ever will be on purpose so I'm excited to see what this old camera will do!

David A. Goldfarb · Jul 12, 2005

Nice work, Jim!

Andy K · Jul 12, 2005

Great job! The camera looks wonderful now. I too am not averse to doing a wee bit of cleaning to ebay wins which have been unloved for a few years.

Ps. $56 for two tanks of gas? Whats the postage on that to the UK?

jimgalli · Jul 12, 2005

Andy K said:
Ps. $56 for two tanks of gas? Whats the postage on that to the UK?

Uhh-Err. You're right. Make that 1 tank of gas. 20 gallons for the typical US gas guzzler SUV @ $2.80 gallon.

jjstafford · Jul 12, 2005

Does anyone know what posessed makers to paint so many of these battleship gray? Sure, the wood underneath is no prize but why go the extra mile to paint them?

David A. Goldfarb · Jul 12, 2005

Whoever it was was considered such a genius that he was hired away by Linhof to design the tan covering for the 1970s Technikas and all the matching equipment of that era (tripods, backs, copy stands, studio stands--all tan). I believe this same person worked for Gucci briefly, designing two-tone tan and white patent leather shoes for men.

Dave Wooten · Jul 12, 2005

nice job,

I saw a few years back, a B and J that had had the grey paint removed and it was refinished....I think it was maple and looked lovely.

eric · Jul 12, 2005

jimgalli said:

ahhhh it was YOU who won this! I watching it and then I looked at the "ENDED" auctions and it was over. Great job! Looks nice.

jjstafford · Jul 12, 2005

Dave Wooten said:
nice job,

I saw a few years back, a B and J that had had the grey paint removed and it was refinished....I think it was maple and looked lovely.

Maple? What a beautiful wood, but it seems unlikely. Back then, and earlier wood was just the most feasible material and lower-end camera makers didn't even try to match grain. Some kind of mahogony was typical.

lee · Jul 12, 2005

JJ,

it really is maple. I had a gray one and stripped the paint to find the maple wood underneath.

lee\c

Nick Zentena · Jul 12, 2005

If you paint it then you don't have to match wood. You don't have idiots complaining they don't like the color,grain whatever of the wood. Wanting to exchange the camera because thier friend got a "nicer" one. It lets you change wood if supply or price becomes an issue.

LF for equipment has to be the best value. I bought five 5x7 film holders for $3.25 in May. It was a heated bidding war to

jjstafford · Jul 12, 2005

You made out very well, Lee!

Jeremy · Jul 12, 2005

jjstafford said:
Maple? What a beautiful wood, but it seems unlikely. Back then, and earlier wood was just the most feasible material and lower-end camera makers didn't even try to match grain. Some kind of mahogony was typical.

Mine was maple and Mike's is maple, too.

Jim McD · Jul 12, 2005

The March/April 1995 issue of View Camera has a great article on how to refinish B&J's by Patrick Alt. It is maple underneath the battleship grey. I had plans to refinish mine, but never got around to it. It is a camera that does not need to look pretty to be used

jimgalli · Jul 12, 2005

Whoever that designer was that found his way to Linhoff also designed every computer on earth to be the same boring color. Maybe it was Virgil Exner who also styled the Dodge Lancer in 1961.

Steve Hamley · Jul 12, 2005

David A. Goldfarb said:
Whoever it was was considered such a genius that he was hired away by Linhof to design the tan covering for the 1970s Technikas and all the matching equipment of that era (tripods, backs, copy stands, studio stands--all tan). I believe this same person worked for Gucci briefly, designing two-tone tan and white patent leather shoes for men.

Ahh, the "Linhof loafer"!

Steve

BradS · Jul 12, 2005

Fun story. Thanks Jim.

Calamity Jane · Jul 12, 2005

Always nice to see a piece of old machinery aviod the junk pile.

(Lawrd knows I buy enough of 'em!)

RichSBV · Jul 12, 2005

Very nice! But I can't believe you gave it a 'bath'? I would never attempt that, but the humidity here rarely goes below 65% except maybe in January....

I have two 8x10 B&J Commercial Views here in the same grey. When I got them, I read about the stripping anf Maple underneath. It's very tempting. But to do it right, the camera has to be compteley disassembled and that's a lot of work. And I see these as 'work' camera. Once you get used to the grey, it's not too bad. I also like to leave cameras as original as possible. The next owner can do what they want to it, but I'd like to think they saty as original as possible for the next generations.

Many people knock those old B&J cameras, but they are truly work horses, if a little heavy ;-) It wasn't long at all before I found a lighter alternative ;-)

Dave Wooten · Jul 12, 2005

In the mid west where I grew up more than half a century ago----maple and oak was very common, actually the oak antique furniture prized by some made 80 to 100 years was the cheap stuff....sold to the po folk...walnut though available, was expensive and is....I remember some folks in a small Illinois town coming home from vacation only to find several huge maturr American walnut trees had been removed. It was and is prized for gun stocks---fiddle back maple was and is another story--and Calamity will appreciate that I have a nice muzzle loader adorned with fiddle back maple.

Donald Qualls · Jul 16, 2005

Back in the days before bowling alleys sprang up, 2 and 3 in every medium sized town and one even in a little burg, maple was common and inexpensive in much of America. Add to that the fact it's both easy to work and long wearing, with little tendency to split and almost no effect of grain on cutting tools (unlike some hardwoods and most softwoods) and you have a perfect wood for making stuff like cameras.

Then those bowling alleys came along (late 40s, early 50s), and between pins and aprons, sucked up literally millions of century-old maples over the course of a couple decades. Suddenly it was cheaper to use imported woods like mahogany, fast-growing (but less durable) species like poplar and birch, or even plywood.

smieglitz · Jul 16, 2005

I have a stripped and refinished 11x14 Burke and James and I believe it is maple. Nice light wood with red bellows. It's much more attractive than the battleship gray one I almost bought a few years ago.

These B&J view cameras are a real bargain IMO. In good shape 4x5s and 5x7s routinely fetch only $125-$200 on eBay. And, if you ever need parts, ones in need of reconditioning frequently come up on eBay as well. I've cannabalized a few of them to make a good camera out of a couple cheap broken ones.

Joe

highpeak · Jul 16, 2005

Wow, what a sweet deal, but I wouldn't try to get it (look at that rubble). Now, thanks for the tip, I might try to get a B&J too if the price is right.

mark · Jul 16, 2005

smieglitz said:
These B&J view cameras are a real bargain IMO. In good shape 4x5s and 5x7s routinely fetch only $125-$200 on eBay. And, if you ever need parts, ones in need of reconditioning frequently come up on eBay as well. I've cannabalized a few of them to make a good camera out of a couple cheap broken ones.

Joe

You can do this with Kodak 2Ds as well.

jjstafford · Jul 16, 2005

mark said:
You can do this with Kodak 2Ds as well.

IF you can get beyond the incredibly messed up page here
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7531334692

How did he do that?

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