Availability of aerial (BW) 120 film in long rolls?

removedacct2 · Mar 21, 2023

I am buying one to four rolls of 120 in 19 meters length of Tasma Type 25L. Tasma lists this emulsion but in 35mm x300m, they don't seem to manufacture it now in 120:
https://tasma.ru/products/aerofotoplenki/aerofotoplenka-tip-25l/

seller bought fresh rolls two years ago and stocked in fridge, is selling for 4000rub the roll. I'll get confirmed sale tomorrow after he checks postage fees.

What I am wondering if is it still possible here in western Europe to buy similar aerial stuff from Agfa or Kodak. Hans O. Mahn near Hamburg, ie. Maco, do sell under Rollei name some aerial film, Agfa Aviphot maybe, and in France the guy running Washi sells in 120, old stocks of Kodak Plus-X: https://filmwashi.com/en/products/specialty_films/
Either they cut from 70mm rolls or 120 rolls are still available somewhere ?

abruzzi · Mar 21, 2023

in their ULF sale Ilford sells HP5+ in 70mm x 50ft rolls. The also sell both HP5+ and FP4+ in 5inch x 50 rolls. 5inch = 127mm which could be cut into 2 strips with a tiny bit to spare. Thise are the only sized I've seen. However there is a user here that respools Aviphot 200 to 120. I'm not sure what he starts with.

AnselMortensen · Mar 21, 2023

There are ebay sellers in India with long rolls of various size Agfa Aviphot 200

removedacct2 · Mar 22, 2023

abruzzi said:
there is a user here that respools Aviphot 200 to 120. I'm not sure what he starts with.

what I was wondering most: if Tasma were still manufacturing couple years ago aerial rolls in 120 , not 70mm, but just regular 120, then the format may have been used also by other manufacturers.
That said, I bought a Tasma roll in 80mm double perforated (it is on the way) and this size I never spotted before, so possible too russians use unique formats...

removedacct2 · Mar 22, 2023

AnselMortensen said:
There are ebay sellers in India with long rolls of various size Agfa Aviphot 200

nice. I have seen now the listings, considering to buy some, maybe in 5" or in 24cm, so I could cut 5x7 or 18x24 sheets.
I didn't thing of a specific search on Ebay with "aviphoto" so missed that.
Typically I look in Ebay, in Avito for Russia, in Allegro for Poland, sometimes also Catawiki, more unusually Tradera in nearby Sweden.

Near Gdansk a photographer sells Aviphot Pan 200 in 35mm canisters, fresh, as well as other less unusual films like Kodak Vision and old expired FOTON (!), on Allegro, 13,5 złoty the small 12 frames canister:
Film małoobrazkowy Agfa Aviphot PAN 200
(his site: https://matifoto.pl/ )

MCB18 · Mar 27, 2023

You can buy 70mm size film and use a slitter to cut it to 61.5mm width for 120.

Astrum/Svena supposedly sells it pre-cut to 61.5mm, but I’m having a hard time reaching out to anyone there, my emails have not been responded too, and supposedly the guy who does the sales is on Instagram, but I can’t find them.

removedacct2 · Mar 29, 2023

MCB18 said:
You can buy 70mm size film and use a slitter to cut it to 61.5mm width for 120.

what I am going to do, I bought recently a 80mm size film, double perforated, so double the trouble
Then after I found this relatively recent Tasma in 60 (61,5mm) I have been thinking I never saw aerial film bulk in 120 from Agfa or Kodak. Probably a "sovietism". (as well as the 80mm size ?)

MCB18 said:
Astrum/Svena supposedly sells it pre-cut to 61.5mm

maybe Kodak aerial. According to their site, they are/were Kodak resellers/partners.

MCB18 · Mar 29, 2023

antonio_b said:
maybe Kodak aerial. According to their site, they are/were Kodak resellers/partners.

I believe that most of their films are from Agfa, possibly Aviphot films. The stuff I have is great, so that’s fine with me.

removedacct2 · Apr 1, 2023

MCB18 said:
my emails have not been responded too

there are different email addresses, not consistent with (outdated) sites information, you may have redirection delays.
I am buying 19 meters in 120 and some 13x18 sheets.
On the other hand I have Tasma-25L roll film on the way, this one is rated iso400, and the Svema is listed as Photo-100, so I will be good for all kind of weather

MCB18 · Apr 1, 2023

antonio_b said:
there are different email addresses, not consistent with (outdated) sites information, you may have redirection delays.
I am buying 19 meters in 120 and some 13x18 sheets.
On the other hand I have Tasma-25L roll film on the way, this one is rated iso400, and the Svema is listed as Photo-100, so I will be good for all kind of weather

I did manage to finally get in contact with them, so I am putting together a group buy. Do you happen to know if they will sell rolls or packs of film of different sizes separately, as in 2 boxes of Foto 100 4x5, one box of 25 and the other of 50? Or will I need to re-package the film into different boxes when I get it?

removedacct2 · Apr 2, 2023

MCB18 said:
Do you happen to know if they will sell rolls or packs of film of different sizes separately, as in 2 boxes of Foto 100 4x5, one box of 25 and the other of 50? Or will I need to re-package the film into different boxes when I get it?

i still don't know, as I am waiting an answer about exactly that: packaging of sheets. As I understood they do ad hoc custom packaging in dark plastic, bill by m². Communication was slow anyway.

removedacct2 · Apr 3, 2023

finally as I have a bunch of different sheet films I decided to buy only few, 10x, sheets 13x18 in order to have an idea before I buy more.
Packaging not mentioned, answer was:
"Sheet photo film (13 х 18 см) - 10 Sheet = 0.13м х 0.18 м х 10 х 42 EUR.= 10 EUR."
In my order confirmation I was mentioning I would probably buy more and asked about box packaging or not. But anyway on their price list on https://t.me/svema_film they mention sale of lightproof plastic bags for packaging film, so I will also probably buy some. It's convenient when I travel and pack few sheets.

to Norway shipment is 20€. Cheap. (and customs VAT may be avoidable...)

MCB18 · Apr 3, 2023

antonio_b said:
finally as I have a bunch of different sheet films I decided to buy only few, 10x, sheets 13x18 in order to have an idea before I buy more.
Packaging not mentioned, answer was:
"Sheet photo film (13 х 18 см) - 10 Sheet = 0.13м х 0.18 м х 10 х 42 EUR.= 10 EUR."
In my order confirmation I was mentioning I would probably buy more and asked about box packaging or not. But anyway on their price list on https://t.me/svema_film they mention sale of lightproof plastic bags for packaging film, so I will also probably buy some. It's convenient when I travel and pack few sheets.

to Norway shipment is 20€. Cheap. (and customs VAT may be avoidable...)

They said that they can package film in amounts convenient for my order, so that’s good. They also sell “light proof paper”, I might get some as it’s cheap, and maybe it could be used as rollfilm backing paper. It also might be handy just to wrap up the film I hand roll, as well.

removedacct2 · Apr 3, 2023

MCB18 said:
They said that they can package film in amounts convenient for my order, so that’s good. They also sell “light proof paper”, I might get some as it’s cheap, and maybe it could be used as rollfilm backing paper. It also might be handy just to wrap up the film I hand roll, as well.

yes black paper and plastic is on their list. Btw communication much faster today, I am finalizing payment system, as per what they prefer, SWIFT, Paysend, Koronapay, Webmoney or whatever. Answer to my question about packaging of sheets: "we will pack it in light-proof packaging."
The "light proof paper" is same kind than late soviet backing paper of roll film, and packaging of sheets, similar to late DDR one (if you bought Orwo for instance).
An advantage btw with bulk 120 film is I can spool in 220, as my Bronica S2 backs have the setting and I have Horseman 6x7 backs in 220 too. (I always keep spools and backing paper, habe boxes of it)

MCB18 · Apr 3, 2023

antonio_b said:
I am finalizing payment system, as per what they prefer, SWIFT, Paysend, Koronapay, Webmoney or whatever.

I have never heard of any of these. Hopefully I can figure out a payment method that I can use with PayPal, as that is what I’m using to collect payment.

removedacct2 · Apr 3, 2023

best for him is simply regular SWIFT, so I wire the money tomorrow when he gets the details from the bank.
I guess PayPal is just ok but not so great for them because annoyances may be fees and delay before getting the money to their bank.
SWIFT should be good for you i guess, it's bank to bank without man in the middle (excepted NSA computers ....)

MCB18 · Apr 3, 2023

antonio_b said:
best for him is simply regular SWIFT, so I wire the money tomorrow when he gets the details from the bank.
I guess PayPal is just ok but not so great for them because annoyances may be fees and delay before getting the money to their bank.
SWIFT should be good for you i guess, it's bank to bank without man in the middle (excepted NSA computers ....)

It looks like I can do a regular wire transfer through PayPal, so if they have a regular bank, that is probably what I would do. Although it looks like it is slow, 2-4 days for it to go through.

Romanko · Apr 3, 2023

Is it really worth the trouble? When you take into account bank transfer/currency conversion fees and shipping costs this film could end up more expensive than Foma or Ilford.

Availability of aerial (BW) 120 film in long rolls?

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