I have not found that to be so. Are you going to museums that know the difference between a silver gelatin print and a giclee?
Photo art galleries don't recognize "giclee" , they recognize inkjet print or similar. "Giclee" is a marketing buzzword that's seen only in tourist galleries.
not sure about that ..Photo art galleries don't recognize "giclee" , they recognize inkjet print or similar. "Giclee" is a marketing buzzword that's seen only in tourist galleries.
IMO the dominant way museums and significant galleries (not referring to tourist/scenic galleries) is with archival board and beveled archival mat. Has nothing to do with "west coast" in US.
There's no reason other than cheapness to deliver a print, as anything other than a gift or on a unique mount (e.g. aluminum) without a beveled mat.
Ciba prints are not as stable as inkjet or dye transfer.
That statement is just bullshit.
Do you mean dismounting a dry mounted print with Unstik?? Thanks!A.A. mounted his prints I saw some of Bruce Barnbaum's prints all mounted. Bruce's print in a museum A.A. at a show. Dismounting a print with Bienfang's Unstik is easy and safe.
That statement is just bullshit.
Some galleries have print rooms, here you expect un-mounted prints in archival boxes (which they should provide along with cotton gloves). Good photo galleries care about things like mounting and archival permanence.
There's always exceptions as Bob mentions mural prints need to be mounted to avoid damage.
Ian
Some galleries have print rooms, here you expect un-mounted prints in archival boxes (which they should provide along with cotton gloves). Good photo galleries care about things like mounting and archival permanence.
There's always exceptions as Bob mentions mural prints need to be mounted to avoid damage.
Ian
This thread isn't really about what people did back in the day. When Ansel mounted prints they didn't know a whole lot of squat about archivability. It was just getting going at that point. People mounted their prints on straight cardboard. I believe Weston did this and remarkably many have held up. I just recently saw a Weston print of Tina on the Azotea at Art Basel Miami that had yellowing around the edges, so that one, not so much. Probably was mounted or framed with something non archival. The point is if you mount, you run the risk of later having a problem, or passing the problem on to someone else. Odds are a museum won't want to unmount the print just because it is expensive for them and there is a chance that the print might get damaged. In other words, what people do and what museums want are two different things. As others have suggested though, as the size of the print increases there becomes no real alternative to mounting the print. Photo corners on a large print is possible, but the expansion and contraction of the print doesn't do the display of it any favors.
The times I have tried to unmount a dry mounted print ended up being a pain. The print came off the matt fine, but getting the mounting tissue off the print was practically impossible. That is why I don't mount prints anymore. I don't print big though, so it is an option for me. Not that anyone cares about my prints anyway.....
Ciba prints are proven to not be as archival as the latest pigment inkjet. So no...the statement is not BS. Sorry.
I don't particularly believe the longevity claims of modern inkjet materials. Let's see them in 50 years. Most prints aren't even a decade old at this point. I had a pile of inkjet prints near one of those ionizing air cleaners years ago and after a month or so any surface exposed to the air was roasted. Don't believe all you read about longevity. I don't know all the tests they do these days, but IIRC they used to just do lightfastness testing. Air pollution wasn't factored in. Personally I prefer the look of wet color prints even if they are done through a computer. I'll be dead long before they will be. Who is going to give a crap about prints in 100 years anyway?
Might have something to do with real world experience. Cibachrome has been around for 50 years or so (1969), whereas the more modern alternatives have been constantly changing and are much more recent.So, if Ciba testing shows a certain longevity, it is true. But if pigment inkjet tests by the same organizations state something about longevity...they are suspect. Gotta love the internet.
So, if Ciba testing shows a certain longevity, it is true. But if pigment inkjet tests by the same organizations state something about longevity...they are suspect. Gotta love the internet.
not sure about that ..
i am sure it is a mixed bag
there is no hard and fast rule ( and there shouldn't be ) how anything is delivered ..
YMMV
Cibachrome has been around for 50 years or so (1969)
So, if Ciba testing shows a certain longevity, it is true. But if pigment inkjet tests by the same organizations state something about longevity...they are suspect. Gotta love the internet.
So, if Ciba testing shows a certain longevity, it is true. But if pigment inkjet tests by the same organizations state something about longevity...they are suspect. Gotta love the internet.
I never mentioned anything about the longevity of Ciba prints, only the experience I've seen in the real world with inkjet prints. Gotta love the internet!
You probably think your response was smart, but it wasn't really. Why don't you go back and read what I wrote. Maybe understand it this time? And don't lump me in with internet folks of which you seem to be one: you just don't realize it. Lol.
jtk, there's an acceptable archival method of mounting which galleries prefer if they are going to sell prints. It's such a common practice I've never given it a second thought. Dry mounting is not recommended. That's from experience of a lot of galleries around the world.
Ian
"Archival ink jet" is the term I see used most lately. I haven't seen an ink jet print called a giclee in quite while, FWIW. Probably because everyone figured out the term was BS.
Work should be delivered to the gallery in the way the artist wants it displayed, whatever that is, unless some arrangement has been made for the gallery to mount or frame it.
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