Well, insurance usually has deductibles. So you won't get the full value of the stolen item.
BINGO
That's about the only situation involving robbery/theft/embezzlement and the like where all involved parties are really made whole.
You would prefer that the current owner be the one who lost out, despite having in good faith paid in full for the item to a legitimate seller?
And therefore throw into doubt every single retail transaction everyone ever enters into - "new" goods can be stolen too you know.
There is no solution that doesn't result in an innocent victim. So you decide where you put the risk - usually the person who has the ability to secure and insure the property.
That raises an interesting question. What if you buy a stolen camera sold on eBay? Who's responsible? Do you get stuck with the loss? eBay gets stuck?
In the U.K. if you are offered the goods at a ridiculously cheap price by the thief, or thieves and know the true value, you will not only loose the equipment, but would probably also be charged with "recieving stolen goods".
I guess Alan thinks it is okay that every thing that everyone buys from anyone else - B&H, Roberts Camera, KEH, the local camera store, etc. - should be subject to being siezed from the final purchaser because somewhere in the chain of distribution either stole it or paid for it with a fraudulent cheque.
Including, of course, everything in his house, and everything he ever sold as part of his business to any of his customers.
Just think of the commercial chaos, not to mention the chaos to the commercial lending worldd.
And also in the UK, and Canada, and most if not all the US, if you buy it from a legitimate retailer or wholesaler and pay a market price, you will be entitled to keep it as an innocent purchaser for value.
I have sold to KEH in person on multiple occasions. Aside from looking up the item's value on a laptop, they write you a check on the spot.Where it might be dicier is with KEH who buys used stuff all the time, one at a time from individuals. I imagine they have some process where they check to see if things are stolen before they buy them. I would imagine they too would make good to their customers if something they sold turned out to have been stolen.
The point is, you have to prove to a jury that not only specific items were stolen, but that anyone holding those, or even reselling them, had knowledge they were stolen.
I have sold to KEH in person on multiple occasions. Aside from looking up the item's value on a laptop, they write you a check on the spot.
Drew, it depends on where you are. Here in New Jersey, the rule is that whoever possesses a stolen item that a reasonable person would believe is stolen can be prosecuted as a receiver of stolen goods. I was once on a jury in a trial where the accused had someone else's car, claimed he had bought it for pennies from a friend but couldn't name the friend or produce a title. We found him guilty.
Sirius - if you would move to a colder climate, you might appreciate woolen wigs. But maybe you'd be more the Seattle Punk Rock type with the year-round ski cap on? - plus matching arm tatoos to your zanie Hassie decals.
Sorry to perpetuate the fray. I had planned to take my Fuji RF for a little walk on the shoreline today, but Brrr ... It's forecast to snow on our higher hills tonite. And I don't want to heat up the drymounting /framing room again today, so the madness goes on....
But maybe the kind who would sell you one.Not the kind of guy who would use a Leica.
I always thought that the wigs were outdated and pretentious.
Drew, it depends on where you are. Here in New Jersey, the rule is that whoever possesses a stolen item that a reasonable person would believe is stolen can be prosecuted as a receiver of stolen goods. I was once on a jury in a trial where the accused had someone else's car, claimed he had bought it for pennies from a friend but couldn't name the friend or produce a title. We found him guilty.
$180,000 of Leica equipment stolen.
... and here we have a four page thread about what? ... 4 cameras and 5 lenses stolen.
In New Jersey when you fill out the online questionnaire for prospective jurors, or fill out the paper form they send if you do not reply online, you can ask to be excused for reason of age if you are 75 or older.Coincidentally I just got called for jury duty in New Jersey. I thought at 77 you're too old. I might fall asleep. Like the judge.
In New Jersey when you fill out the online questionnaire for prospective jurors, or fill out the paper form they send if you do not reply online, you can ask to be excused for reason of age if you are 75 or older.
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