Are you satisfied now LF-pushers?

TimVermont said:

Hmm, ok, I pulled out the rest of my lenses, and the ones at work. All the Schneiders are also marked Linhof, and all have four tiny (2 - 2,5mm high) numbers on the rear components. Two are Super-Angulons (90 + 121), two Tele-Xenars, and one Symmar. I have no problem sharing the info from my lenses: Technika Tele-Xenar 1:5,5/360 SN 6203039 with 3039 engraved on rear component; Technika Super-Angulon 1:8/90 SN 5221520 with 1520 engraved on the rear component. Time for some other people to pull out their Schneider lenses so we can get to the bottom of this-does Linhof add the numbers, or do (some/certain vintages of) Schneiders come this way from the factory?

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Mine came mounted on a Sinar lensboard and has "SINAR" engraved in green.

The SN is 8903522

Kind regards
Søren

Soeren said:

Wow, what a perspective.
Is that front or back tilt? Front??
Eh the syncro compur that came with the 90mm is a bit(lot) sticky from 1/8sec and up. at 1sec it is totally gummed up. From 1/15 and down it sounds right. CLA? Where?
Kind regards
Søren

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I focussed on the little plant, then tilted the front to get the rest in focus. But there's a little bit of front drop as well, which helps get the coverage where it should be.

For CLA, I recommend Carol Flutot. It's a long way to send a shutter for a CLA, but it's the best and fastest service there is.

After playing around with the 90mm I have identified the problem.
Its sitting on a lensboard that is not flat or recessed. I don't know what its called but its like a kind of extension tube on front. This prevents it from being focused on infinity with the reducing back mounted and it restricts the movements with the 5X7 back. The 150mm is (Edit: Was, I switched them around) sitting on a flat horseman plate.
I guess I just switch them around if I can find something to mimic that special tool for the ring.
Kind regards
Søren

Hello Soeren
You can take your shutter to photografica, they have a very good repair man (he has more than 25 years of experience) who should be able to take care of the problem. It will maximum cost you 1400 kr. and might be a lot cheaper (not under 800 kr.). He is taking care of two shutters for me at the moment, an old compound 4, and an ilex universal shutter from the twenties.
Best Regards
Mads

loman said:

Hello Soeren
You can take your shutter to photografica, they have a very good repair man (he has more than 25 years of experience) who should be able to take care of the problem. It will maximum cost you 1400 kr. and might be a lot cheaper (not under 800 kr.). He is taking care of two shutters for me at the moment, an old compound 4, and an ilex universal shutter from the twenties.
Best Regards
Mads

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Well I never thought of that but then again 1400dkr will almost buy me a new(used) lens in a shutter from the same place. Ill stop by next time I go to Copenhagen and have a chat with Martin about it.
Thanks Mads
Kind regards Søren

Yes i Know, especially considering the amount of money you spend on the entire kit. 1400 kr. is worse case scenario. I'm sure though it wont be any cheaper than 800 kr. A plus is that you don't have to send it out of the country. And they generally do a very good service.
Best Regards
Mads

Hi Søren !
As you live in Denmark, a ground glass maker in the European Union may prove better than Satin Snow...
It is faster on delivery also and provide GG with grid lines for a really decent price !
Have a look at this :
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Disclaimer : I'm in no way connected to these people but I ordered a set of GG for my MPP MKVII and 5x7 and 4x5 Norma ....

GeorgesGiralt said:

Hi Søren !
As you live in Denmark, a ground glass maker in the European Union may prove better than Satin Snow...
It is faster on delivery also and provide GG with grid lines for a really decent price !
Have a look at this :
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Disclaimer : I'm in no way connected to these people but I ordered a set of GG for my MPP MKVII and 5x7 and 4x5 Norma ....

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That the one I tought about. What are they like? Brightness etc?
Just did the two first sheets from a trialshot with 90mm in our garden. Wow
Its hard to judge the sharpness without a proper loupe (even harder to focus without one ) but from what I can see, there is absolutely no reason not to love this lens
Kind regards
Søren

Of course, there are some serious inadequacies in every format. Consider this posting today of some 16Gpixel (yes, that's a *G*) pix on the web:

http://www.haltadefinizione.com/en/

20x24 camera wouldn't get you there.

At the same time, such a setup is useless for field work (except perhaps some oddball one-shot conceptual project). It requries very controlled conditions or the d-word aspect of it end up looking rather poor.

4x5 5x7

Soeren said:

So........ Well ok here it goes.
I bought this lens with some extras, a 90mm f/8 Super angulon.
Well, actually I got not just that but also a 150mm f/5.6 symmar.
Ok some filmholders got thrown in,........ and a polback, a 3X4 polback, and a 6X7cm back.
Well actually I bought a Sinar Norma 5X7 with a 4X5 reducing back, Sigh. :confused:
Are you satisfied now? You know, its all your fault.
So that makes me a large format shoo/owner
Ok some Qs
The 90mm Super angulon got the prediction "for pictorial effects only" from the seller. Is that the normal view on this lens (could be this specimen only).
How does the two lenses cover 13X18cm?
The ground glasses look somewhat dim, should I buy new ones? How much better will they be.
Hints and good advises?
Kind regards
Søren

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welcome to the world of Sinar

You didn;'t say if you had a 5x7 back to go along with the 4x5 bk. As far as coverage the 90mm It considered the normal on 4x5 and extreme on 5x7 in fact you can use a split 5x7 darkslide and get two shots for the price of one. With the dark slide in take a pencil an draw aline around the inside of the holder then take and mesure half of the drkslide and cut very carefully
so that you havee a L shaped drkslide do not cut to the metal you want just the image area then when you use the 90 mm you can use the top and bottom of the film by just fliping the holder. and you have two extreme wide angle images on the film.any Questions just email me back.

Enjoy

ROn

90 is a wide-angle even on 4x5. 135-150 is considered normal, and even 210 is sometimes put in the "normal" range for 4x5. 210-250 is "normal" for 5x7.

So far so good

Well the initial trial didn't turn out to well. The negs just didn't "bite".
Then again the light was dull/limited due to heavy overcast. I switched the lensboards so the 90mm now sits on a flat one.
Took the kit for a shoot yesterday in bright sunshine and I developed the negs today. WOW now they bites. It was much easier to focus and I got some more experience in tilt, swing and shift. Only two negs showed vigneting due to lack of shift when using some swing. I also cleaned the groundglass thus getting a little extra out of it. I still want a new groundglass but not desperately. One or two of my filmholders show some lightleaks in the flip end but it don't get into the image area so I wont try and do something about it or toss them yet. Just won't use at least the worse of them for "The shot".
I use the Paterson Orbital processor Roger Hicks recomended and overall Im pleased, though the danger of uneven development haunts me a bit after I found some strange stripes on one neg (have developed 12 negs now)

Verdict so far:
Loading filmholders?
Piece of cake. Easier than loading 120 film but of cource more repetitions.

Handling camera?
Easy except for focussing which I still find somewhat difficult + those corners.
But Im feeling Im getting the hang of it.

Carrying camera?
Not much of a problem. Will go in Lowe Pro Rover AW, Just but no room for more filmholders (4) or a third lens.

Unloading and developing film?
No problem at all. Just take care when agitating (Diafine) oh and drying?
that clothespin idea was a disaster. Plastic wont go cause the negs slipped off. wood worked better but leaves some nasty marks on the negs. Will try those metal office things.
I still havn't come to the contactprinting

What to fix/get.
240mm lens
Flat lensboards, horseman
15cm rail, 30cm is a tight fit in the pack
Groundglass, I still like to be brighter.
More filmholders
loupe, a 50mm Nikon AIS aint the best.
Focus cloth, A raincoat is not recomended, a fleecejacket will do but it aint opaque though a lot more comfortable
Another orbital
Drums for bulk processing. I have seen some mentioned here somewhere but cant find the thread. It was Jobo something????

Kind regards
Søren

Soeren said:

Unloading and developing film?
No problem at all. Just take care when agitating (Diafine) oh and drying?
that clothespin idea was a disaster. Plastic wont go cause the negs slipped off. wood worked better but leaves some nasty marks on the negs. Will try those metal office things.
I still havn't come to the contactprinting....

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For film (and paper) clips, get these:

http://www.craft-inc.com/prod_detail.aspx?riDeptID=6&riIDClass=59&riIDItem=501&QtySelected=1&value1=100&value2=1%2F2+inch&value3=Stainless+Steel

I have experimented with many types and someone mentioned these on an old post that I cannot find. They are stainless steel, have very fine engravings on the rounded clip that are small enough that they bite the margin of 4x5 film without marring the actual negative image. I think I bought 100 of them and use them for drying film and paper. For large sheets of paper I use 2 clips. I picked up some bare copper wire and fashioned some hooks to connect the loop on the clamp to a clothesline.

In regard to the goundglass, I just ordered a Maxwell screen because of the many positive comments on APUG. However, it costs more that $200 for a 4x5 screen so it better be good! For the time being, I suggest that you get a good loupe and focusing cloth and spend extra time doing the focusing and movements.

Søren There was a jobo 2830 drum for sale in the classifieds a couple a days ago, I don't know if it's gone yet? It will develop five sheets of 13x18 film at a time.
Best regards
Mads

Soeren said:

I look forward to our little shootout and/or the Vrå-tour
Kind regards
Søren

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hi søren
welcome to the club. that is one nice "beginners choise"

I am actually planning a week-end with LF camera in the spring...

maybe we can have a shoot out?

never mind your super angulon.... Now the fun begins!
I have a lot of old NICE lenses that can cover 13x18..
come and see/try..
and then your hunt can begin!

Soeren said:

clip....
Unloading and developing film?
No problem at all. Just take care when agitating (Diafine) oh and drying?
that clothespin idea was a disaster. Plastic wont go cause the negs slipped off. wood worked better but leaves some nasty marks on the negs. Will try those metal office things.
clip...
Kind regards
Søren

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I use film hangers and after the wash and photoflow I just let them dry in the hangers.

Gordon

gandolfi said:

hi søren
welcome to the club. that is one nice "beginners choise"

I am actually planning a week-end with LF camera in the spring...

maybe we can have a shoot out?

never mind your super angulon.... Now the fun begins!
I have a lot of old NICE lenses that can cover 13x18..
come and see/try..
and then your hunt can begin!

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I'd love that. You will offcource bring an 8X10 or something bigger, Right?
Let us know when it'll be.
Kind regards
Søren

freygr said:

I use film hangers and after the wash and photoflow I just let them dry in the hangers.

Gordon

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Can you get filmhangers for 5X7"/13X18cm cheapy?
Kind regards
Søren

Soeren said:

Can you get filmhangers for 5X7"/13X18cm cheapy?
Kind regards
Søren

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I've been very lucky so far, as they are not making new one's. I've gotten one lot off ebay and I'm looking at a second lot now.

I have used Quickloads in a Polaroid holder. No worries. Cheers Michael

Ohh my old thread revived after almost 5 years
Im not sure exactly what question you ansver but I can update my own info. I dont shoot that much LF these days but when I do I develop in drums and hang the sheets in those metal office dingies and it worrks like a charm. I also shoot a bit 4X5" and 9X12 cm developing using joboholders.
Best regards