Bob Carnie
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Thx for the insight Bob! Readers need to especially note your opening comment, "the best Refrema's in the world needed volume to keep the plots in line" and your later summarizing "and the good E6 labs are all gone due to lack of film."
Even if Kodak had not discontinued EPN, it would be in vain for lack of great processing! Sad.
Little information is available even from the web, about 'proper process calibration' that Kodak or Fuji might want labs to maintain for their processing equipment.
You know when Kodak introduced Ectachrome just recently I kind of scratched my head on that one , as yes truly the very best E6 labs are gone, I can think of ICON in LA as
being one of the last great E6 labs.
I would have though Kodak would have reintroduced a digital silver paper, with a device to print it or more of the good old Black and White papers, at least there are thousands
here and abroad that still print black and white.
There is no E6 lab in Toronto with any quality that I am aware of, and basket runs don't cut it for me.
I will say this, that I really wish Kodak was still allowed to sell film with processing included - I would gladly pay for the convenience and the knowledge that Kodak will have as good quality as you'll find anywhere, probably better.If they can hit critical mass on the processing, then they can rebuild exceedingly reliable and high quality processing centres that will be very tough for third party labs to ramp up and compete with again.
Can you provide us with an explanation geared for the layman, about how often/when such calibration should be done, either in terms of time intervals or vulume of photos processed or whatever threshhold?
And then also comment about throughput (let's say 1995 vs. now) and how that increases the need to calibrate or the challenge of maintaining calibration?
I think you have hit the nail on the head... Send the box in and you will get film and prints back going way way back.It is sounding like Kodak is putting its sights on centralized mail in service and bringing that back into play rather than the idea of just popping down to your corner store to get processing done. A lack of existing local labs is actually probably a good thing for them in some ways really, as it would reinforce people using the "Official Kodak Processing" services. Combine that with a strong online-shopping industry and customer base who are happy to wait a few days for stuff to zip across the country?
If they can hit critical mass on the processing, then they can rebuild exceedingly reliable and high quality processing centres that will be very tough for third party labs to ramp up and compete with again.
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Hope I didn't bore everyone too much.
+1 !Not at all. My gratitude to you, Bob, and others contributing to this thread.
Hi, the closest thing to a bible is found in Kodak's Z manuals. ... look at the Z manuals, especially the section on "process control" to get the general gist of things.
I could probably sit down and write 50 or 100 pages on this (but I won't)....
The sort of checks we'd do included processing machine checklists ...We typically ran about 3 control strips per shift on paper processors, relying on the operator to notice if something drastic happened in between. ... After startup, another control strip every couple hours - even with hundreds of gallons of developer in the machine, a developer replenisher problem could run it out of process spec in that time. All told, we ran about 50 control strips per day on a one-shift operation....
In later years, when optical printing went out of favor, machines ... had built-in calibration routines where the the machine could "read" its own step wedge results and make corrections to the printing exposure. So instead of correcting a chemical problem right away, one could just run a machine recalibration and the printed work would come right back to aim. For details on how this works, each machine came with about an 8 inch tall stack of printed manuals.
The lab I worked in was a fairly low volume colour print lab - ... Rob did all of the custom enlargements - and Rob was a very, very fine printer.... Rob would run at least two control strips each working day, and often more, and insisted on very narrow tolerances.
I have heard good things about the lab. The one thing was the owner/manager, I think his name is Mike, or whatever takes his work very serious and that's what makes a good lab. That and knowing what you're doing! He's just up the road from me and I might drop some 4X5 off to him the next time I'm up there. Just a little 286mi. drive, but I'll certainly wait for warmer weather before I go 'cause I've been up there in the winter time before.Does anyone have first hand experience with AgX Imaging in Sault Saint Marie, Michigan?
It probably is more difficult.Does it get easier or more difficult to maintain calibration in view of low volumes, does it not matter? That way we all get a better insight into the quality trending as processing volumes continue to decline...set expectations!
I'm only an hour south of you, so let me know when you're going. I'm not sure my wife would let me go without her thoughI have heard good things about the lab. The one thing was the owner/manager, I think his name is Mike, or whatever takes his work very serious and that's what makes a good lab. That and knowing what you're doing! He's just up the road from me and I might drop some 4X5 off to him the next time I'm up there. Just a little 286mi. drive, but I'll certainly wait for warmer weather before I go 'cause I've been up there in the winter time before.
I think this is really where the rubber meets the road. Anyone choosing to make a living processing film is doing it because they care about it. The people at the two labs I'm using are earnest and genuine. They very clearly want to do good work.I reckon at this stage any lab still running is doing so because they have good business sense and good quality and most importantly, giving the customer what they want.
Today vs 1995 - well I own a Durst Lambda 76 which in the last 25 years has been a powerhouse for creating prints. Today I no longer make C prints with it as I feel inkjet prints are better in many ways, I use it only for Black and White silver prints and Black and White silver negative .
Toronto Image Works still does C print and is in Toronto as my lab is, I still feel TIW is as good as the old days because Ed Burtynsky owns it , uses it and is a lab tech through and through. Most of the lesser labs in Toronto have fallen through the cracks, and the good E6 labs are all gone due to lack of film.
Today the ink machines are extremely stable and require one good Profile to keep in Balance.. The spectrometer is the key and a good tech making the profile.
Today also I am making alternative prints that are much more demanding than any prints I have made in the past, keeping control of the gum process in colour is quite daunting and once Sean finishes
the new site design I can talk freely about the new real wave of photographic printmaking.
hope this helps
Bob
It probably is more difficult.
But possibly more importantly, it also becomes more expensive, because calibration uses up "stuff", and eats up time, and both the stuff and the time cost money.
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