Anyone remember Surplus Shed's 'Japanese' Metrogon lens from many years ago?

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Surplus Shed many years ago had a lens they believed was a Japanese Metrogon type, based on 3rd party information. They had no further info, other than someone's belief it was Japanese. I bought one & stored it. Surplus Shed still never learned anything more. I thought someone suggested it was a Fuji, but I try not to perpetuate that because I have never seen anything to support a particular company. Fuji is certainly a large company with a hand in many optics fields, but not the only lens maker. Consider that some US Metrogon's were made by a Zenith Optical company in West Virginia. I don't believe they were as large as Kodak or B&L, and started in a failed bottle manufacturing plant (with smarter people).

It's interesting in that it is a fixed, sealed assembly with a fixed, non-adjustable aperture and no shutter. The front diameter is considerably larger than the glass or contrast filters for the K-17 type 6" Metrogon (about 4" for the filter, which is wider than the lens). For the unidentified lens, the front diameter is about 5" or 5.5". The front filter has an ND central spot, so that suggests the lens is usable with other than black & white film.

Since it has a different form factor than the type of Metrogon used in K-17 shutters, it isn't necessarily made to MIL-STD150, and doesn't have to be 6" f/6.3, or even necessarily 9x9 or 8x10 negatives.

I saw someone else in Michigan describe a 12" Metrogon with photos that are of the same physical design as mine. But mine has a short projection distance of a ceiling lamp onto a wall that is closer to 6" (hard to estimate where the stop is when doing that).

The oddest thing about the lens is that the interior of the rear cell is painted bright white. Only thing I can think of is that white might have less heat absorption which could better control performance variation over temperature.
 

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That looks somewhat like projection lenses used in large television sets before flat screens became more practical.
 

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I remember that at Surplus Shed but was never inspired to buy one.

About 10 years ago I saw something like that, marked “Metrogon” on a LCD projector… a table-top device for projecting computer display onto screen/wall. It had a FL on the bezel but I can’t recall what it was.
 
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Hi Jim (we meet again!)
Hi Brian
Hi X

So it's disturbingly possible it wasn't even for a camera! Disappointing but actually frees me to just experiment with no expectations.

The 20Megsfree site is interesting...inspiration to someday figure out the spacing for a 12" non-mystery Metrogon cell set.

The modern unmarked one has a rear collar that will pass thru a 2-5/8" hole. My 8x10 camera has been restricting me by having a 4" square opening with 4-1/4" board (missing).

Somewhat limiting to have a fixed f-stop & manual shutter, but ground glass viewing is a starting point...see what it will even do.

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You might ask your question over on the LARGE FORMAT PHOTOGRAPHY FORUM. There are a lot of large format lens experts over there.
 

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Definitely looks like a digital projector lens.
You'll probably need a smaller camera, may not even cover 35mm.
I recently bought a high definition projector from a charity store for $20, thought if it didn't work Id just retrieve the lens and use it for something Turns out it worked fine, so can watch movies on a big screen.
 
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I have gutted two monster projectors. One offered up an 8" f/2.8 lens. I don't remember the other's lens, or where I buried it.

One was for 1.8" LCD panels and had a (Bayer?) color combiner prism that worked the opposite of a three-sensor camera. It had 2-2.5" flat sided.

Putting a small diameter lens against it gives three colors (sometimes combinations) and views at three different angles. Surreal images you'd not think up in Photoshop. I haven't figured out how to compose with it, but there are crazy results that are usually surprises.

I think this alleged Metrogon is more than it appears to be. It does have about 6" rear projection of a ceiling lamp. I need to try something outdoors to get a valid f.l. estimate. (As far as valid estimates go).

I guess it's up to me to figure it out.
 
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