Anyone got a datasheet for Panatomic-X?

Athiril · Sep 26, 2014

Looking for a datasheet for Panatomic-X, not the aerial film version though, but the 'regular' stuff.

Molli · Sep 26, 2014

I have references to it in my 1967 Kodak Master Darkroom Dataguide. I'm not sure it gives you any more information than you already know, though. It's simply a list of characteristics, safelight use, ASA and film format availability as well as development directions using the 'developing computer'. Would any of that be of any use to you?

Athiril · Sep 26, 2014

It'd be helpful, I dont know the original data for the film

Murray Kelly · Sep 26, 2014

I've got the leaflet that came in a film box but it's for 3 films - Panatomic X - Plus-X - Super XX. Film speeds before the ASA was revised upwards. I can pdf it for you but as Molli says you can get as much and more off the 'net. Just say.

mopar_guy · Sep 26, 2014

You must have gotten the film? I found one online that is a scan of the in box sheet:

http://www.tmax100.com/photo/pdf/panatomix_x_leaflet.pdf

Ian C · Sep 26, 2014

Athiril,

I posted the following to a thread sometime in 2013 or early 2014. Possibly it might be useful for your purposes.

This is copied from the data sheet packed with a roll 120 Panatomic-X. The parenthesized pairs are (temperature in °C, time in minutes) for Panatomic-X exposed at ASA 32 (DIN 16°):

Kodak Panatomic-X Professional FXP 120

D76, (18, 6), (20, 5), (21, 4 1/2*), (22. 4 1/4*), (24, 3 3/4*)

D76[1:1], (18, 8), (20, 7), (21, 6 1/2), (22, 6), ( 24, 5)

Microdol-X, (18, 8), (20, 7), (21, 6 1/2), (22, 6), (24, 5)

Microdol-X[1:3], (18, 13), (20, 12), (21, 11), (22, 10), (24, 8 1/2)

HC-110[Dil. B], (18, 4 3/4*), (20, 4 1/4*), (21, 4*), (22, 3 3/4*), (24, 3 1/4*)

* Unsatisfactory uniformity may result with development times shorter than 5 minutes.

I have also developed Panatomic-X exposed at ASA 32 in Kodak T-Max Developer using the Plus-X temperature/time combinations. This resulted in negatives of approximately normal density and contrast. The Plus-X combinations are:

(20, 5.5), (22, 5), (24, 5)

Note: The 22C and 24C times are the same5 minutes.

DWThomas · Sep 26, 2014

mopar_guy said:
You must have gotten the film? I found one online that is a scan of the in box sheet:

http://www.tmax100.com/photo/pdf/panatomix_x_leaflet.pdf

Thanks for that link! I was gifted a 100 foot roll last fall and have had decent results using info from my mid-sixties darkroom guide, but it is nice to see (and wax nostalgic over!) the info that used to come in the consumer boxes. I shot some on Argus Day in Argust - uh - August. 27 year old film in a 57 year old camera.

Athiril · Sep 26, 2014

Cheers,

I was more interested in the data for the film than developing times given, characteristic curves and all that other data Kodak publishes, the technical specifications, if they did publish for Panatomic-X.

snapguy · Sep 26, 2014

Loved it

L-O-V-E-D Panotonic-X.

Bill Burk · Sep 26, 2014

Athiril,

Are you shooting 35mm Panatomic-X and developing in D-76 1:1 ?

Jim Noel · Sep 26, 2014

Murray Kelly said:
I've got the leaflet that came in a film box but it's for 3 films - Panatomic X - Plus-X - Super XX. Film speeds before the ASA was revised upwards. I can pdf it for you but as Molli says you can get as much and more off the 'net. Just say.

Those are not ASA speeds, they are Weston. There are charts on the web which compare the several methods of measuring sensitivity.

nosmok · Sep 26, 2014

LONG LIVE PAN-X! STILL THE BEST! that is all.

--nosmok

Athiril · Sep 26, 2014

I bought some in 35mm from mopar_guy. Though
I want to save it for a nice landscape subject. Maybe with a yellow or orange filter.

Bill Burk · Sep 26, 2014

When I develop to the times on the data sheets, I find my results are somewhat flat.

July 10, 2012 I developed a test roll of Panatomic-X in D-76 1:1 at 68-degrees F in small tank for 10 minutes.

I also had the transit of Venus on that roll but no good photograph came of it due to atmospheric conditions (clouds) at sunset from the viewpoint I selected. But I got a chance to develop friendships with an astronomer and a friend of Ctein who bragged about converting him to digital...

This roll surprised me by sensitometrically measuring a speed over 50. I did reach the ASA conditions on that roll. 0.62 Contrast Index.

The curve has a graceful long toe under the 0.10 line, 0.25 B+F (which I think is anti-halation gray base, not a lot of fog).

What I recommend... If you like to print on a diffusion enlarger to Grade 2 paper, developing for 10 minutes is a good way to get 0.62 Contrast Index. I would discount the inflated speed reading and consider that a testing anomaly. Rate it confidently at Exposure Index 32.

If you have different preferences, for example if you know you want a lower Contrast Index... I'm planning to develop some Panatomic-X in the next few weeks and so I could try something different. Otherwise, I'll be developing for 10 minutes.

Newt_on_Swings · Sep 26, 2014

I opened up a 100ft bulk roll and this was included within.

chip j · Sep 26, 2014

Panatomix-X & Tetenal "Neofin Blue"!!!!

Murray Kelly · Sep 27, 2014

Jim Noel said:
Those are not ASA speeds, they are Weston. There are charts on the web which compare the several methods of measuring sensitivity.

Correct. It says arithmetical, suitable for Weston meters. Also given is a logarithmic EI.

ChuckP · Sep 27, 2014

Worked pretty good in X-22.

MultiFormat Shooter · Oct 24, 2020

Does anyone have a good time, or at least a good starting time, for Panatomic-X in Kodak X-tol developer?

Kodachromeguy · Oct 24, 2020

For a 1989 data sheet, look at the third picture here:
https://worldofdecay.blogspot.com/2017/05/panatomic-x-best-black-and-white-film.html

I used some Panatomic-X this morning in an old antique store.

spb854 · Mar 12, 2022

braxus · Mar 15, 2022

It seems people are waking up to how good a film this was. At least the people that never used it when it was on the market or later on. Its become more popular as of recent time. Its a shame Kodak doesn't re-release this film. I have about 30 or so of this in 35mm, but only 4 rolls in 120. I wish I could find more of this in 120, especially the late dated stuff. I have to scan up my roll of this I shot this past month.

Kodachromeguy · Mar 15, 2022

I bought some rolls of 35mm Panatomic x in 2020. It was fun to use it and I had good results. However, for me, I am not sure if it offers "better" results than Acros. The Acros is more convenient because of its higher speed. Here are some Panatomic examples:

https://worldofdecay.blogspot.com/2021/02/expired-film-treasure-135-size-kodak.html

https://worldofdecay.blogspot.com/2022/02/more-treasures-smiths-appliances.html

As for the 120 size, that I consider to be film magic.

michaelelliottphotog · Jun 5, 2023

The only other film in 120 that I think might rival it is Tech Pan, which isn't as difficult to expose and develop as (some) might think.

Andrew O'Neill · Jun 5, 2023

michaelelliottphotog said:
The only other film in 120 that I think might rival it is Tech Pan, which isn't as difficult to expose and develop as (some) might think.

Too bad neither film is around today... but TMX 100 is an excellent replacement, in my opionion...

Anyone got a datasheet for Panatomic-X?

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