If it's just a change in processing, then does the lab really care if I overexposed it or not? Whether or not they can pull the film two stops, I would think that is independent of what EI I shot the film at.
Anyway, I was planning on shooting Harman Phoenix at EI 50 and then asking the lab to pull two stops.
Just expose for the shadow detail you need, then manage contrast and color in digital editing.
I'm not sure if the exposure latitude of the film is not necessarily the problem, and if it is, whether it helps much to start by overexposing it by two stops.While that would work for typical color negative I don't think Phoenix has the latitude for that
Ultimately I have my doubts about trying to make Phoenix look like something it isn't; if normal contrast and fine grain are desired, I'd just start with a film that gives those, which is basically any normal C41 film.
"pull" and "push" really only refer to the change in processing.
The "pull" and "push" terms came only from the lab world and referred only to adjustments of development.
They were more recently appropriated by photographers who wanted to use them for descriptions of the combinations of exposure and development adjustments - typically "push" adjustments used to compensate for low light levels.
Historically, you would request a "pull" development from a lab because you had exposed a traditional, thick emulsion film to a scene with a wide SLR (Subject Luminance Range) and you sought to contract the resulting density range on the film, and thus the overall "contrast" of the negative. In Zone System terms, you requested "contraction" (N-1, N-2, etc.) development.
With some films and some nominal characteristic curves, you needed to increase shadow exposure a bit to make that work.
On the other side of the coin:
Historically, you would request a "push" development from a lab because you had exposed a traditional, thick emulsion film to a scene with a narrow SLR (Subject Luminance Range) and you sought to expand the resulting density range on the film, and thus the overall "contrast" of the negative. In Zone System terms, you requested "expansion" (N +1, N +2, etc.) development.
With some films and some nominal characteristic curves, you needed to decrease shadow exposure a bit to make that work.
If you just distinguish between "pushing/pulling the film" as such and "push/pull processing", the problem goes away.
Push/pull film: under-/overexpose followed by over-/underdevelop (push & pull used as verbs)
Push/pull process: give more/less development than normal (push & pull used as adverbs)
This list might be extended with 'push/pull exposure', which would be under/overexposure.
I think after having this argument on semantics played out (too) many times between people talking from different perspectives (someone who used to work at a lab, someone more focused on the integral process, someone handing off their film to a lab etc.), it seems all but sensible to me to just agree on some terminology to account for the different views.
Or we could fill a couple more threads with it, of course. After all, we're still not done with the "stop bath, yay or nay" issue either.
attic darkroom on YouTube obtained a nice look with Harman Phoenix by pulling it three stops. I would be happy pulling two stops, but currently don't have the resources (time, space, equipment, ability to discard chemicals, experience) to develop C-41 myself.
Does anyone know any labs that can pull C-41 film two stops, and take mail-in orders? (Or if not taking mail-in orders, are located in Osaka, Tokyo, or New York City).
Searching around, most labs either do not offer pull processing at all for C-41, or only can pull 1 stop.
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