Any 35mm Waist-Level-Finder users out there?

[holmburgers]

Lately I've been thinking about how nice it would be to have a WLF finder on my Canons (EF & AE-1P). I feel like it would allow a much more discrete way to take pictures of people. Indeed, I don't think anyone would realize you're taking a picture, they'd think instead that you're just admiring your camera.

So does anyone on here find it an advantage? I think it could open up new realms of candid/street photography to SLR users who don't have the advantages inherent to a rangefinder.

I'd also like to get a list of 35mm bodies that support WLF. I know the Nikon F does, the Canon F-1 and randomly, the Praktica FX's. (I happen to own a Praktika, currently not working, might have to fix it up just for the WLF)

Also, has a *metering* waist level finder ever been manufactured? That would be awesome.

CHEERS!

 

[mpirie]

The Pentax LX as well as the Nikon F, F2, F3 and F4 could use WLF's, though I don't think any of them had metering in them.

What about a right angle finder on a normal prism?

Mike

 

[holmburgers]

Ah, I just read about the Pentax LX on mir.com.

Do the right angle finders allow you to see the imagine from waist level though, or do you have to put your eye up to it? That would be my main concern.

 

[benjiboy]

If I remember rightly Miranda 35mm SLR s had metering interchangeable WLFs, but the problem to me with waist level finders unless you're Clark Kent is they are so small you can't see them without glueing your eye to the magnifier.

 

[VaryaV]

Both my pre-war Exakta and Exa have WLF's and are built like tanks and can take a Zeiss lens. Beautifully made cameras with a cult following.

 

[holmburgers]

Awesome, thnx guys. Any more out there?

How about the Canon angle finders, do they allow you to see the image from a distance or do they require you put your eye up to it?

 

[removed-user-1]

The Nikon F3's meter is in the body, as is the F4's spot meter (but not the center-weighted or matrix meters), so you can meter with a WL finder with these cameras.

 

[rjbuzzclick]

If I remember rightly Miranda 35mm SLR s had metering interchangeable WLFs, but the problem to me with waist level finders unless you're Clark Kent is they are so small you can't see them without glueing your eye to the magnifier.

You are correct. I have a Miranda G with both the prism and WL finders. I rarely use the WLF for precisely the reason you mention-the ground glass is so small that I have to use the magnifier up really close to judge focus. It is handy for low angle shots or for when the camera is on a tripod. Unfortunately, to swap out the viewfinders, I have to first remove the clip-on light meter from the right-top of the camera, so it's a cumbersome process to change.

That being said, for a street shooter (which I'm not), I would think that with a 28mm or a 35mm lens, you could just scale focus and use the WLF discretely to frame your shots.

 

[holmburgers]

Agreed on the 28mm & 35mm lens. But I'm more interested in 50mm and 85mm lenses. Like the other day, I was sitting in a coffee shop and the couple across the room was picture worthy. Would've been prime for some WLF action.

And I don't really like zone focusing or guessing, especially in lower light levels where depth-of-field is so short.

http://www.myphotoweb.com/Canon_camera/accessory_pages/pages/accessoires.htm

This website says "...A2 and B are convenient Eyepiece attachments for viewing. They are used taking pictures from the waist level..."

I'd like to know if the whole image is visible though and some personal experiences from people using these attachments. There's a similar thread "next door", I might go over there.

 

[Rol_Lei Nut]

The Exaktas have the best WLF I've seen in 35mm (apart from a few simplified later ones).
With a massive condensor/magnifying element, they produce a much brighter and apparently bigger image than, say, a Nikon F with a WLF.
Maybe one of the very few you could actually use at waist-level (at least for composing).

Also the Rolleiflex SL 2000f/3003 cameras have a WLF finder (as well as a normal one), but again not as nice as the Exakta's.
The main advantage in this case is to be able to switch form one finder type to the other in an instant.

 

[Barry06GT]

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I have a blast shooting my BlackBird Fly!

The BBF is a twin lens 35mm camera with options for masking.
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[holmburgers]

Looks like the Praktica VLC3 can be added to the group...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/res2000/3603292612/


and the Miranda Auto Sensorex EE

http://www.flickr.com/photos/35588958@N07/4399611850/

 

[benjiboy]

Awesome, thnx guys. Any more out there?

How about the Canon angle finders, do they allow you to see the image from a distance or do they require you put your eye up to it?

Not the ordinary angle finder you need to put your eye up to that, but with the Speed finder For the Canon F1 the whole image can be seen from 60mm away and it also rotates.http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/hardwares/classics/canonf1/operations/operate4.htm.

 

[holmburgers]

Oh, well at which point I'd just get the WLF for an F1.

Hmm, it appears as if I'm just gonna have to buy a cheapie to get this particular trait. Maybe I'll go with an Exakta and cross-justify the purchase with the fact that it's the camera used in Hitchcock's Rear Window...

 

[MattKing]

Another approach:

Mamiya 645 Super or Pro or Pro Tl with a WLF, 55mm lens and 135 back.

And as a bonus, you would get a medium format camera out of the deal

 

[holmburgers]

now you're thinking!

 

[VaryaV]

The Exaktas have the best WLF I've seen in 35mm (apart from a few simplified later ones).
With a massive condensor/magnifying element, they produce a much brighter and apparently bigger image than, say, a Nikon F with a WLF.
Maybe one of the very few you could actually use at waist-level (at least for composing).

Also the Rolleiflex SL 2000f/3003 cameras have a WLF finder (as well as a normal one), but again not as nice as the Exakta's.
The main advantage in this case is to be able to switch form one finder type to the other in an instant.

Agreed.

I had no idea it was used for that film. I will have to watch it again...... cool.

 

[ic-racer]

Back in the 80s, doing a lot of street photography, I used the WL finder on my Rollieflex quite a lot. With a wide angle lens and zone focusing it worked great at wast level.

I also have a Praktica 35mm slr from the late 70s that just has the WL finder. I used that for a while in the 80s.

 

[lxdude]

The Pentax LX will meter with a WLF or no finder at all. So will the Nikon F3HP.

As you already have Canons, why not look into getting an F-1? I haven't owned one myself, but as they all had metering in the body, I would expect metering would work with their WLF's.

 

[Jedidiah Smith]

The Minolta XK. Also called the X-1 and XM in different world markets. Many finder options for this camera, including a nice waist level finder.
Take a look here for more info: Dead Link Removed

One sweet rig!
Jed

 

[holmburgers]

I probably should just get an F-1. But as I just bought an EF (and it's awesome), I dunno. Kinda strapped for cash as well. BTW, I think that the metering is dependent on the various VF's, though I could be wrong.

I have a Praktina FX that's kinda junky, but maybe I'll try my hand at repairing it & then I'd have what I'm looking for.

ALSO, those Minolta's are gorgeous. I've never heard of them to be honest, however their prices are a bit rich for my blood. One pckg on eBay is going for upwards $600!

But we're definitely compiling a great list here.

 

[fotch]

I had a Practica FX back in the sixties with a waste level finder, it was so so. The image is going to be to small for focusing.

What I normally do now, is make sure I am far enough away so pointing accuracy is not critical, scale focus, and shoot from the hip. Can even look the other way, and snap away. However, the noise from a SLR may give you away, a quiet RF or scale focus viewfinder camera is better.

I also have a lens accessory that fits on the lens like a lens hood but instead, it contains a mirror and a hole in the side of the hood so its disguised as a lens but shoots sideways. I can take pictures while looking through the finder and appear to be taking a photo straight ahead when really taking it at 90 degrees.

This fools everybody however, I would only use it if shooting from the hip was not good enough, like if using a telephoto. It works really great with a telephoto and the noise from a SLR doesn't matter because the subject thinks I am shooting in a different direction from them.

 

[Erik Petersson]

I have worked just as you are thinking about with my Nikon F3. It's prism can be replaced with a waist level finder. But often I would just remove the prism and glance down into the camera. I used either my 24mm 2.8 or any of my 50mms (1.8 or 1.4). I would prefocus so that I would be free to take pictures when I wanted. Prefocus was possible, as I primarily used this for taking photos of people sitting opposite to me in the Moscow Metro and I knew the distance. It was pretty stealthy, but not completely so. But most were not offended by me anyway.

A few examples:

http://erikpetersson.livejournal.com/8167.html
http://erikpetersson.livejournal.com/4872.html
http://erikpetersson.livejournal.com/7652.html

 

[Rol_Lei Nut]

Hmm, it appears as if I'm just gonna have to buy a cheapie to get this particular trait. Maybe I'll go with an Exakta and cross-justify the purchase with the fact that it's the camera used in Hitchcock's Rear Window...

If you do go for an Exakta, go for a Varex (VX) or Varex IIA. The IIB (IIRC) has as simplified WLF and is often not as well made (though finders are interchangeable between all models).

Also these are 50-60 year old cameras. Their main bugs tend to be pinholes in the shutter curtains. Make sure that one you're getting has healthy curtains (as well as everything else)! In other words, buy from a reputable source.

Then pick up an Astro Berlin 400mm and you can re-enact Rear Window...

 

[Rol_Lei Nut]

Exakta

Agreed.

I had no idea it was used for that film. I will have to watch it again...... cool.

In the film (Rear Window), the name was covered with tape.

The lens used is still a matter of debate: Apparently different lenses were used, one for the film and one for the still shots.

Pieskar and Astro Berlin are the most quoted candidates.