ANTIQUATED FILM LEADER

[Sirius Glass]

I need the old style leader for my WideLux F7 and a later life as a test strip. Please do not take my leader away.

 

[David Lyga]

I need the old style leader for my WideLux F7 and a later life as a test strip. Please do not take my leader away.

I am not going to take away your leader!!!. (Indeed, the Trump Card will continue with his retinue.) The length of the whole film will be the same. It is just that ... why expose five inches to light when that could simply be an option?

With your WIdelux you could simply pull out what you need from the cassette and cut it the way you want to cut it. Is that so terrible? - Frugal David Lyga.

 

[pentaxuser]

I like the old shaped leader...I always cut one for my students. I've gotten really good at that...Anyways Peter, is this what you are talking about? https://petapixel.com/2019/04/27/yashica-unveils-three-film-cameras-and-two-new-films/

That's the one Andrew. I may of course be naive in believing everything I read but a new colour film and plans for three new cameras is certainly ambitious so Yashica may be just the company that David needs as the ideal candidate to kick over the traces in respect of fartitudinous matters such as traditional film leaders. Fartitude is my new word, you know. It encompasses killjoyism, some scepticism and reluctance to rejoice. Can't recall where I found the word

This congressional hearing will now come to order: "Mr Pentaxuser, are you now or have you ever been a member of the Fartitude Party?"

Pentaxuser: "I refuse to answer on the grounds that this may end this sketch prematurely but I will add that in my corner as my "cuts man " I have Edward R Murrow.
Uproar ensues and the chairman has to hit the table with his gavel repeatedly in an attempt to restore order.The newshounds make for the telephone booths to file their stories

pentaxuser

 

[Sirius Glass]

I am not going to take away your leader!!!. (Indeed, the Trump Card will continue with his retinue.) The length of the whole film will be the same. It is just that ... why expose five inches to light when that could simply be an option?

With your WIdelux you could simply pull out what you need from the cassette and cut it the way you want to cut it. Is that so terrible? - Frugal David Lyga.

How primitive! How gauche! Sacre bleu!

 

[David Lyga]

How primitive! How gauche! Sacre bleu!

Primitive, but feasible and a trite conciliatory. - David Lyga

 

[guangong]

Bulk loading to feed my Leitz and Zeiss cassettes and those for Minox and Minolta 16. Earlier Leicas require the long leader. I can load the subminiature cassettes easier using bulk film. The only savings is home loading the subminiature film.
All arts are expensive...paints, paper, inks, stones, chisels, musical instruments, etc. Maybe writing is different, but then there’s the high price of booze..Why expect photography to be any different. Many older cameras work better with long tongue, not just Leicas.
Decades ago I tried to squeeze as many pictures as possible from a roll, now I stop shooting at 36.
I once had an Exacta but never once used the built in film cutter.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Primitive, but feasible and a trite conciliatory. - David Lyga

I challenge you to a duel with wet noodles at 10 meters.

 

[Wallendo]

A film without a tongue would be very difficult to remove from a roll using a film extractor.

 

[beemermark]

It USED to be long enough. I remember that that was the case when I was little (a LONG time ago). Film, back then, was CHEAP. But for the toothpick Pentax (of which I am all too aware) would it not be so difficult to trim each side of the leader's very end in order to be able to load? - David Lyga

Everything was cheap back in the day. But I was only making 25 cents and hour so I still couldn't afford to splurge on film. The really long tongue was needed for a number of cameras, Leica screw mount, stereo cameras, Leica copies etc. The current tongue is required for probably 90% of film cameras existing today. Nikon, Pentax and Minolta for sure.

 

[David Lyga]

I challenge you to a duel with wet noodles at 10 meters.

I DEMAND that the noodles NOT be cooked, so I can stab you with one. - David Lyga

 

[David Lyga]

Everything was cheap back in the day. But I was only making 25 cents and hour so I still couldn't afford to splurge on film. The really long tongue was needed for a number of cameras, Leica screw mount, stereo cameras, Leica copies etc. The current tongue is required for probably 90% of film cameras existing today. Nikon, Pentax and Minolta for sure.

The YEAR that I was born, 1950, the US minimum wage was 75 cents per hour. It did not take long for it to go up to $1 per hour (in the mid-50s). If you were making 25 cents per hour, then you were making far less than my maternal grandfather was making (55 cents) at New Departure (GM division) in Bristol, CT during the Depression. Your 25 cents per hour does not drive me into a state of belief. - David Lyga

 

[beemermark]

The YEAR that I was born, 1950, the US minimum wage was 75 cents per hour. It did not take long for it to go up to $1 per hour (in the mid-50s). If you were making 25 cents per hour, then you were making far less than my maternal grandfather was making (55 cents) at New Departure (GM division) in Bristol, CT during the Depression. Your 25 cents per hour does not drive me into a state of belief. - David Lyga

You're correct. In 1964 minimum wage was around $1.15. I wasn;t get paid that much though, I think farm labor was exempt.

 

[Murray Kelly]

The old Barnack leader was 100mm (4") and David is half right since modern films are half that!
It all boils down to how adept you are and driven by frugality.

 

[abruzzi]

Yeah, as I mentioned in another thread, I hate 36 exposure rolls, and even 24 is too many. They should bring back 20 exposure rolls. So for me, trying to get more than 36 exposures would be akin to stabbing myself in the thigh with a pocket knife. I frequently pull my rolls out early and waste the rest of the exposures, just to get done with roll.

 

[foc]

A film without a tongue would be very difficult to remove from a roll using a film extractor.

Very true.
And almost impossible to extract with an automated film extractor in a commercial lab.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Yeah, as I mentioned in another thread, I hate 36 exposure rolls, and even 24 is too many. They should bring back 20 exposure rolls. So for me, trying to get more than 36 exposures would be akin to stabbing myself in the thigh with a pocket knife. I frequently pull my rolls out early and waste the rest of the exposures, just to get done with roll.

Time for you to buy a Hasselblad. That would allow you to use a twelve exposure roll.

 

[abruzzi]

Time for you to buy a Hasselblad. That would allow you to use a twelve exposure roll.

nah, I have a Bronica GS1 and Pentax 67 for ten shots per roll, and when I need more portability, I have a ETRSi for 15 shots per roll.

 

[Sirius Glass]

Time for you to buy a Hasselblad. That would allow you to use a twelve exposure roll.

nah, I have a Bronica GS1 and Pentax 67 for ten shots per roll, and when I need more portability, I have a ETRSi for 15 shots per roll.

Still a step in the right direction.