Ansel Adams Act: Common sense prevails ?

[peter k.]

I vote to get rid of them ALL, and get some guys that legislate for the good of the COUNTRY as a unit!...hmmm, that is likely to leave us without a government, wouldn't it?

That's called a dictatorship!

 

[semi-ambivalent]

From what I have read about this bill it may do just the opposite of what it pretends to do. There is a section, #3 I think, which would give government the right to ban any photography anywhere and a photog would have to go to court in advance to take photos there.
Gert a copy of the bill and sit your behind down and read it and then write your congressperson and tell them what you think. Grazing the Internet will not cut it.

So true. All bills, on their face, claim to benefit the country, but go a few hundred pages into most of them and Congress's true colors begin to show. This is why efforts for 'one bill, one law' get so much push-back from D.C., with fervent claims that 'nothing will get done!'.

s-a

 

[alanrockwood]

Wouldn't it be neat if we had an extended period of say... 8 years, when Congress would start at the last bill passed and working backwards, and turned their pencils end for end, and erased each word on the bill, and sent it to the President, who would then erase the presidential signature?
If they worked real hard, they could erase all bills for the last 115 years. That ought to about do it.

Yes, it would would be great. We could then live in a libertarian paradise, just like Somalia.

 

[MartinCrabtree]

If you're a registered voter do the right thing. Don't cry bitch and moan that "I am sure that the do nothing Congress, nothing will be done". Participate dammit. Voter lethargy and apathy are major contributors to the clusterfuck that is the US Congress. Contact your representatives and make them do their job under threat of job loss.

Go Dead Link Removed and find the information needed to contact them if you don't know. DO IT. I've done the work for you now do your duty.

Funny thousands of French are in the streets today exercising their "rights" yet so often they're called wimps by Americans who sit and cry in their beer. Get offa yer asses and do something.

BTW I admire the French citizens. Don't agree with their gub'ment however it matters not.

 

[Sirius Glass]

The Ansel Adams act was initiated by a Republican. You can be sure the Democrats will force modifications that render the bill of far less value to the photographer than originally intended. After all, the Republicans did the same thing to the Democratic bill for medical coverage, even though it was initially modelled after Republican legislation at the state level, which rendered the federal bill of far less value to you and I than originally intended.
Neither side passes what is best for the citizenry...reminds me of the Communist party of the USSR, in that regard. That is because getting re-elected is what is tantamount.
We can be sure that the Republicans, now in control of both houses of Congress, will try to do their part to block Presidential desires, as long as they can figure out a way to make that happen without irritating the citizenry when it is reelection time. But the citizenry has poor memories, that is why they voted more Republicans in, to now control both houses, in spite of the fact the party line politics had already stopped significant progress in most areas. Now progress will be completely stopped, as the two houses fight the president.

I vote to get rid of them ALL, and get some guys that legislate for the good of the COUNTRY as a unit!...hmmm, that is likely to leave us without a government, wouldn't it?

When I was ten years old I realized that all of government's problems could be solved if only people who think like I do were allowed to vote. That is still the case.

 

[SchwinnParamount]

Martin,
Why do you assume the people on this thread are not registered voters? I, for one, don't like being preached at, especially since I've done my "duty" and voted since I was 18.

By the way, American citizens have a right NOT to vote if they so choose. It is their duty to do what their own conscience dictates.

 

[MartinCrabtree]

Your comprehension needs some polish.

First of all my post was not about voting. It was about holding their elected representatives feet to the fire about issues important to them. There's more to the process than the vote.

Second it's far from an assumption.

Feel free to ignore me if it bothers you.

 

[SchwinnParamount]

If you're a registered voter do the right thing. Don't cry bitch and moan that "I am sure that the do nothing Congress, nothing will be done". Participate dammit. Voter lethargy and apathy are major contributors to the clusterfuck that is the US Congress. Contact your representatives and make them do their job under threat of job loss.

Go Dead Link Removed and find the information needed to contact them if you don't know. DO IT. I've done the work for you now do your duty.

Funny thousands of French are in the streets today exercising their "rights" yet so often they're called wimps by Americans who sit and cry in their beer. Get offa yer asses and do something.

BTW I admire the French citizens. Don't agree with their gub'ment however it matters not.

OK, Captain Comprehension. Read your first through fourth sentences back to yourself. They are all about voting. Your fourth sentence is a nod to direct contact with representatives. How can I not take this to be a pro-voting screed?

Regarding assumptions about whether APUG members vote. If all you have to offer is statistics that cover an unqualified and nationwide scope, you are not offering any evidence that this particular population does not vote. Show me a poll of APUG users who volunteer that they are not registered and then I will grant that you are not making assumptions.

 

[fotch]

Just have the same rights of gun owners!

 

[Sirius Glass]

Just have the same rights of gun owners!

Do you mean "Stand your ground" or "Stand by your man" or "Stand by me"?

 

[Moopheus]

Just have the same rights of gun owners!

I support the right of open carry of Nikons, Leicas, Fujis, and Hasselblads. Also, Speed Graphics. But I draw the line at Canons. Those cause trouble.

 

[John Koehrer]

With regard to local representatives, most people believe/think/wish or are sold a bill of goods that their local rep does OK. It's all them other districts that elect looneys.

 

[MartinCrabtree]

OK, Captain Comprehension. Read your first through fourth sentences back to yourself. They are all about voting. Your fourth sentence is a nod to direct contact with representatives. How can I not take this to be a pro-voting screed?

Regarding assumptions about whether APUG members vote. If all you have to offer is statistics that cover an unqualified and nationwide scope, you are not offering any evidence that this particular population does not vote. Show me a poll of APUG users who volunteer that they are not registered and then I will grant that you are not making assumptions.

My apologies for confusing you with facts. The assumption comment was a snarky snip,nothing more. I've said my piece. You wanna argue go elsewhere.

 

[Arklatexian]

I am sure that the do nothing Congress, nothing will be done. Congress and common sense parted company under partisan politics in the last decade and Dante's description of the sign over Hell applies well.

Dante Alighieri, The Divine Comedy: Inferno, "Lasciate ogne speranza, voi ch'intrate", or "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante_Alighieri

The terrorists have been complaining about being called photographers and that embarrasses them. However terrorists still suffer with the monicker of photographer. Politicians and legislators still cannot get it right, just Far Right.

Is that who wrote that? "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here" is on a sign which is on my darkroom door. I couldn't find the one which says: "keep this door closed so all the dark won't leak out".........Regards!

 

[Bill Burk]

As for Sirius Glass being right, no action was taken from the day it was introduced and referred to committee.

 

[Wallendo]

I read the text of the proposed bill. It authorizes major movie studios to trample over public lands with no permits, fees or insurance requirements. This bill adds little to the rights of amateur or professional photographers, but is a godsend to Hollywood.

I believe that all citizens and visitors have the right to photograph within public lands as long as they respect the rights of other photographers and non-photographers to the same resources. I also believe that the rights of individual photographers (as well as painters, and sightseers) are best served when large production crews are regulated and cover the cost of any damage they produce. For example, a movie crew shooting on a Wednesday is going to have less effect on the public than a crew shooting on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon.

 

[cramej]

Oh geez, just realized this was from 2015.....

read it

From what I have read about this bill it may do just the opposite of what it pretends to do. There is a section, #3 I think, which would give government the right to ban any photography anywhere and a photog would have to go to court in advance to take photos there.
Gert a copy of the bill and sit your behind down and read it and then write your congressperson and tell them what you think. Grazing the Internet will not cut it.

Not quite...you should read the bill instead of relying on 'what you have read about it'.

3b. Should a Federal agency seek to restrict photog-
raphy of its installations or personnel, it shall obtain a
court order that outlines the national security or other
reasons for the restriction. Such court order shall allow
restrictions of photography when such photography may
lead to the endangerment of public safety or national secu-
rity. Nothing in this Act shall restrict Federal agencies
from taking lawful steps to ascertain whether or not pho-
tography may consist of reconnaissance for the purpose
of endangerment of public safety or national security or
for other unlawful activity. Nothing in this Act shall be
construed to repeal, invalidate, or supersede section 795
of title 18, United States Code.

 

[Alan Edward Klein]

Non-commercial photography is not affected and there are no charges even under current law. Current commercial as follows doesn't seem too onerous. After all, even individuals have to pay an entry fee into the park just to look. If you're not using lights and there's just 1 or two people, there's also no charge for commercial.
https://www.nps.gov/aboutus/news/commercial-film-and-photo-permits.htm
Commercial Filming/Videos

• 1–2 people, camera & tripod only - $0/day
• 1–10 people - $150/day
• 11–30 people - $250/day
• 31–49 people - $500/day
• Over 50 people - $750/day

Still Photography

• 1–10 people - $50/day
• 11–30 people - $150/day
• Over 30 people - $250/day