Ansco Formulas/PDFs

tjaded · Feb 17, 2008

Hi all--
I picked up a cool little booklet today called "Ansco Formulas for B&W photography." I've started scanning them and made them into pdfs. If you have any interest in these, feel free to download them from this link:

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If anyone finds this stuff interesting I can scan/post the rest of them. Actually, I've always thought APUG should have a library of all kinds of this stuff/manuals/etc. for everyone to reference. Anyway, hope you like them...I found it interesting.

Adios,
Matt

Eric Rose · Feb 17, 2008

I like the idea and would love the pdf's but they are huge! 4 megs for 1 page is a bit excessive. Maybe you could scan them as B&W line art. This would reduce the file size significantly.

Thanks for the efforts!

Eric

Michel Hardy-Vallée · Feb 17, 2008

And are you sure about... ahem... copyright?

Tom Hoskinson · Feb 17, 2008

Ansco/GAF/American Agfa Recipes

tjaded said:
Hi all--
I picked up a cool little booklet today called "Ansco Formulas for B&W photography." I've started scanning them and made them into pdfs. If you have any interest in these, feel free to download them from this link:

Dead Link Removed

If anyone finds this stuff interesting I can scan/post the rest of them. There Actually, I've always thought APUG should have a library of all kinds of this stuff/manuals/etc. for everyone to reference. Anyway, hope you like them...I found it interesting.

Adios,
Matt

There is an APUG Library:

(there was a url link here which no longer exists)

I posted many of these Ansco/GAF/American Agfa Recipes as text in the APUG Chemical Recipes (see above URL).

Sean is in the process of restoring additional recipes from the APUG archives.

Jim Noel · Feb 17, 2008

I like the idea, and prefer the pdf's. It only takes aboout 4-5 seconds to download each one. Keep up the good work.
Thanks

tjaded · Feb 17, 2008

I made some smaller ones. Hopefully they are still of use...

titrisol · Feb 18, 2008

Cool beans!
now there is the APUG recipe page, you can contribute there.

Ian Grant · Feb 18, 2008

Matt, it would be useful to scan the cover, and also give the date of publication. The book is almost certainly out of Copyright now.

There are naming issues with Agfa Ansco, Ansco, and GAF, formulae because many of them are different to the German Agfa, and also Orwo, formulae of the same number, so when listed clarity is needed.

Ian

tjaded · Feb 18, 2008

Done!

Ian Grant said:
Matt, it would be useful to scan the cover, and also give the date of publication. The book is almost certainly out of Copyright now.

There are naming issues with Agfa Ansco, Ansco, and GAF, formulae because many of them are different to the German Agfa, and also Orwo, formulae of the same number, so when listed clarity is needed.

Ian

Ole · Feb 18, 2008

Ian Grant said:
... The book is almost certainly out of Copyright now. ...

It isn't. Copyright in most countries runs for life of author + 70 years, so a book published in 1950 will always still be in copyright.

Ian Grant · Feb 18, 2008

Ole said:
It isn't. Copyright in most countries runs for life of author + 70 years, so a book published in 1950 will always still be in copyright.

Yes you're right Ole.

However the contents of the GAF/Ansco formula book have been reproduced so widely over the last 70 or 80 years that any risk of running into copyright issues would be negligible.

This book was published by a now defunct company, the contents were originally published by the German owned Agfa Ansco company, which was seized by the US Government during WWII and very conveniently never returned to the parent company after the war ended.

There would be more of an issue if the material was being used for financial gain, instead of an academic resource for photographers.

Ian

Alex Bishop-Thorpe · Feb 18, 2008

I have a decent collection of articles from the 1940's on emulsion making and chemistry, but they're all still in copyright. I'd transcribed a large part of one of the articles before I posted on APUG asking if it would be ok to share, under "fair use", and was suggested likely not. I'd love to share the information, personally, but that's how it goes I guess.

Bob F. · Feb 18, 2008

Book copyright is covered in outline here: http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/okbooks.html#whatpd - it seems to be reasonably up to date. These discussions occur so often, I bookmarked it.

Cheers, Bob.

Neanderman · Feb 18, 2008

Fleath said:
I have a decent collection of articles from the 1940's on emulsion making and chemistry

I'd be content if you just put together a list of citations -- i.e., Author, title, publisher, etc.

Ed

Tom Hoskinson · Feb 18, 2008

My copy of: FORMULAS FOR PHOTOGRAPHIC USE
AGFA
Was copyrighted in 1939 by
AGFA ANSCO CORPORATION
BINGHAMTON,N.Y.

Neanderman · Feb 18, 2008

tjaded said:
Hi all--
I picked up a cool little booklet today called "Ansco Formulas for B&W photography."

How about scanning and posting the notch codes?

Ed

jgjbowen · Feb 18, 2008

Tom Hoskinson said:
My copy of: FORMULAS FOR PHOTOGRAPHIC USE
AGFA
Was copyrighted in 1939 by
AGFA ANSCO CORPORATION
BINGHAMTON,N.Y.

I did a search for this book and found that there is a guy with an Ebay store selling "reprints" (can we say photocopy) for $10. :rolleyes:

Tom Hoskinson · Feb 18, 2008

jgjbowen said:
I did a search for this book and found that there is a guy with an Ebay store selling "reprints" (can we say photocopy) for $10. :rolleyes:

Mine's an original publication, not a copy.

tjaded · Feb 19, 2008

Neanderman said:
How about scanning and posting the notch codes?

Ed

Added that to the original one:

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And I had an old one online a long time ago:

http://www.mattosbornephotography.com/film_chart.jpg

Kirk Keyes · Feb 19, 2008

This thread should be under general B&W. It does not pertain to emulsion making, unless I missed something...

Ole, can you move it to the proper place?

Thanks - Kirk

Ole · Feb 19, 2008

You're absolutely correct Kirk, I just didn't notice.

Moved.

rtuttle · Feb 19, 2008

Yeah, you should have scanned the pages as B&W line art maybe in the neighborhood of 800dpi. These are grayscale which is harder to read and keeps the file size high.

eclarke · Feb 19, 2008

Ian Grant said:
Yes you're right Ole.

However the contents of the GAF/Ansco formula book have been reproduced so widely over the last 70 or 80 years that any risk of running into copyright issues would be negligible.

This book was published by a now defunct company, the contents were originally published by the German owned Agfa Ansco company, which was seized by the US Government during WWII and very conveniently never returned to the parent company after the war ended.

There would be more of an issue if the material was being used for financial gain, instead of an academic resource for photographers.

Ian

The Ansco plant in Binghamton had been a vacant lot for several years now the last owner was Kodak who tore it down, I think nobody cares..EC

Ian Grant · Feb 19, 2008

eclarke said:
The Ansco plant in Binghamton had been a vacant lot for several years now the last owner was Kodak who tore it down, I think nobody cares..EC

And that's why no-one will ever be interested in the copyright of a GAF 1950 publication

Ian

rtuttle · Feb 20, 2008

"The Ansco plant in Binghamton had been a vacant lot for several years now the last owner was Kodak who tore it down, I think nobody cares..EC"

I believe the last user of that plant was a company called Anitec who made film and plates for the graphic arts. They were swallowed up by Kodak a long with Polychrome. Anitec I do believe was the old GAF company. So Kodak would own those copyrights.

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