was abandoned for the mixed sensitizer, printing-out processes for cyanotype, chrysotype, and kallitype before there were photographic negatives to print, and before anyone tried Herschel's original (much faster) method in camera.
Photo Engineer said:Donald;
After all, if cuprous oxide works, what else is out there. I think that the field is open for a good investigator and suggest that you look for the book by Khosar or Kosar, I forget the spelling OTOMH. Fascinating book on alternative processes. I have read it cover to cover and unfortunately have forgotten most of it due to disuse and time. Everyone wanted Ag emulsions and not these 'old fashioned' dinosaurs. (well, now here we are with 'rex')
ng with cyanotypes myself right now, trying to tweak some things.
PE
I don't mean to butt in, but Mike Ware does explain the ferric process on his website. I seem to recall, that Fe3+ reduces only in the presence of UV light, not regular light. In lieu of any materials on the C. rex process, I would lean on previous scientific data. Actually, Hershel did try ferric ammonium citrate by itself, and developed in various things (including potassium ferricyanide and gallic acid). His conclusion was that the citrate by itself was too slow. Oxalate might be a different story. And don't get me wrong. If the cyanotype process was faster this way, I would be near the front of the line on getting at it. But I also think that both Herschel and Ware have researched the cyanotype very thouroughly. I don't mean any of this in a mean way, just disseminating info. No hard feelings?Donald Qualls said:PE, not to argue, but the recent work on cyanotype rex has demonstrated in-camera negatives, cyanotype-to-cyanotype contact printing (through heavy paper), and exposure of prints with ordinary tungsten light. The very same chemicals are vastly faster (based on my reading, it looks like several stops faster) when the sensitive iron and the colorant are separated; my hypothesis (as a non-chemist) is that light energy goes to reducing ferric to ferrous without being soaked up in the secondary reaction or absorbed by its products -- which might reasonably mean both less energetic (i.e. longer wave) light can do the job, and a great deal less of it is needed.
Dracotype said:I don't mean to butt in, but Mike Ware does explain the ferric process on his website. I seem to recall, that Fe3+ reduces only in the presence of UV light, not regular light. In lieu of any materials on the C. rex process, I would lean on previous scientific data. Actually, Hershel did try ferric ammonium citrate by itself, and developed in various things (including potassium ferricyanide and gallic acid). His conclusion was that the citrate by itself was too slow. Oxalate might be a different story. And don't get me wrong. If the cyanotype process was faster this way, I would be near the front of the line on getting at it. But I also think that both Herschel and Ware have researched the cyanotype very thouroughly. I don't mean any of this in a mean way, just disseminating info. No hard feelings?
The Unblinking Eye has a variation on the cyanotype with gallic acid if I remember rightly.
It *might* be possible to coat c. rex on inkjet transparency material -- certainly worth trying,
htmlguru4242 said:SO, if a light-sensitive iron compound (ferric ammonium citrate, ferric oxalate, etc., etc.) were coated onto a paper and exposed to light, therefore reducing some of the iron to ferrous, and the paper was then soaked in or coated with gallic acid / tannic acid / gallotanate, etc., would an image not be produced?
Do I have a good idea, has this been done before, or am I WAY off?
fparnold said:PE
Do you have any suggestions in the open literature concerning the copper-oxide system? J. Phys. Chem. B would be fine. :~)
precipitated in the dark in a peptizing polymer and then coated.
htmlguru4242 said:I'm probably just not recognizing the word, but what is a "peptizing polymer"?
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