Thanks Ilford!
Another reason I’m moving to strictly Ilford.
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I'll take a wild stab at it...think (or google) rainbow sidewalk.
OP
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Ilford recognized Gay Pride Month on the first day of the month.
I thought they were finally releasing a colored film.
It puzzled me too and that's why I keep on "harping on" about this Ilford being nothing like the former Ilford that we associate with Simon Galley It has moved on and is aimed at a different age group and pysche compared to most of us here on Photrio.
pentaxuser
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For those who need to come up to speed (for whatever reason): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBT)
Also Google (Gay) Pride
I have two gay sons...it was a no brainer. I do buy primarily Ilford films, but never hurts to have another positive reason.
I have two gay sons...it was a no brainer. I do buy primarily Ilford films, but never hurts to have another positive reason.
Christopher is being quixotic again. He rather excels at that. Now and then he posts something that makes sense. For all his written ups and downs, he is almost always entertaining to read.
Like almost everyone I know, I strive to live in the present and not the past. This is not always easy, especially with the internet-fed insanity prevailing nowadays everywhere in the world.
For my photography, Ilford FP4 and HP5 are superbly good films, and for what little film work I do nowadays, I've been using them a lot (along with their equally great XP2) since Kodak upped its prices for Tri-X to ridiculously high levels in Australia and discontinued Plus-X for the TMaxes, which do a good enough job but have never really rocked my boat.
As for "gay" anything, I have many gay friends who are good photographers, they are friends first and, for me, gay as a by the way. Also two neighbors of ours are a MM couple. They are fine neighbors and very kindly look after our two cats when we go away. We could not have better, kinder, nicer people living next door to us. Gay Pride is everywhere in the world now. We no longer live in the 20th century - I for one do not really miss much of it, excepting Kodak's deliberate extinction of Verichrome Pan and Panatomic-X (also Plus-X, but that was much later).
Momus's girlfriend (#9) had the right idea. She sounds like a sensible gal, well worth hanging on to (and hanging out with).
Like almost everyone I know, I strive to live in the present and not the past. This is not always easy, especially with the internet-fed insanity prevailing nowadays everywhere in the world.
For my photography, Ilford FP4 and HP5 are superbly good films, and for what little film work I do nowadays, I've been using them a lot (along with their equally great XP2) since Kodak upped its prices for Tri-X to ridiculously high levels in Australia and discontinued Plus-X for the TMaxes, which do a good enough job but have never really rocked my boat.
As for "gay" anything, I have many gay friends who are good photographers, they are friends first and, for me, gay as a by the way. Also two neighbors of ours are a MM couple. They are fine neighbors and very kindly look after our two cats when we go away. We could not have better, kinder, nicer people living next door to us. Gay Pride is everywhere in the world now. We no longer live in the 20th century - I for one do not really miss much of it, excepting Kodak's deliberate extinction of Verichrome Pan and Panatomic-X (also Plus-X, but that was much later).
Momus's girlfriend (#9) had the right idea. She sounds like a sensible gal, well worth hanging on to (and hanging out with).
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I expect you will find lots of examples of support in the photographic world.
(Eastman) Kodak in 2004: https://www.workforce.com/news/acceptance-of-gays-lesbians-is-a-big-part-of-kodaks-diversity-picture
(Eastman) Kodak in 2004: https://www.workforce.com/news/acceptance-of-gays-lesbians-is-a-big-part-of-kodaks-diversity-picture
OP
OP
Well this isn’t the only reason I’m switching to Ilford, of course, because I have many reasons to switch. But it did make me smile to see that they posted that.
I just found it to be an incredibly colorful ad for a company that only makes black and white film - you will only get a grayscale rainbow from Ilford products.
Surely there is a limited-edition platinum filmstock forthcoming from HRMIlford?
not abad move;they supply all one needs.
As indicated I am not young enough to know.
I grew up when male homosexuality was still criminalized. I experienced the resultant hiding from close-by, but also coming-outs, as my closest friends and acquaintances were all gay or lesbians, including one couple later becoming one of the first in Europe to get married, but I never heard of a Gay Pride Month.
Rainbow over here today is used in a different much broader metaphorical meaning, namely that of a mixed society.
There still is life beyond en-vogue slogans and internet rages. And life is more than speed.
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Our children are growing up in a world where gay pride will be taken for granted. This is a world where young people will see a lot of things about life differently that us old farts do -- my grandchildren educate me daily on a lot of things.
So it is good for Ilford to celebrate gay pride for what it means but it is also smart marketing -- the "traditional" market -- folks like me -- are dying off, the future is with the young and they have my deepest apologies for the mess we're leaving them.
And my grandkids will each have their choice of Leicas when they want them. I also only use Ilford films.
So it is good for Ilford to celebrate gay pride for what it means but it is also smart marketing -- the "traditional" market -- folks like me -- are dying off, the future is with the young and they have my deepest apologies for the mess we're leaving them.
And my grandkids will each have their choice of Leicas when they want them. I also only use Ilford films.
Yes, but my point was about taking for granted that everyone knows about respective slogans or icons. We are living in a period where such are becoming more important than actual changes.
No need to be butthurt, you can still buy their film and it's equally good if you haven't heard of the rainbow flag, which btw is definitely a symbol of gay pride also in the streets of Germany despite it being confusingly also associated with the peace movement.
Given the timing (June - the month of the Gay Pride Parade for 50 years, now) and context (Instagram) of Ilford's post, they could fully expect anyone who viewed it would know what it meant.
That said, it is simply prudent marketing and doesn't necessarily reflect any sentiment on the part of the actual people who work at or run Ilford - no more than any other ad by anyone else about anything else. Once the tipping point of public concern for the plight of a minority moves from rejection to acceptance, a company stands more to gain than to lose by aligning themselves with the supporting side.
This: "We are living in a period where such are becoming more important than actual changes." is absolutely true.
Nonsense. As this thread showed.
As I indicated above most people I most closely mingle with for the last decades are lesbian or gay. Never ever one of them used a term as LGTB, queer, Gay Pride or Rainbow, even CSD only once was mentioned within the last 20 years.
I daily read newspapers, listen to educational radio for hours each day. Never ever heard of Month of Gay Pride.
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