Please don't quote me on saying that I am an advocate of " develop 5 rolls a year" thing. You, for all people, should be aware that the keeping quality of developers was a major "thing" for big companies for decades, while if ones allows a two-part solution there are simple and obvious solutions known for a hundred years. It is just that currently the big guys are watching on the sidelines to see if they should court the low volume user or ignore him/her/hir, as before. On the C-41, there has been a 3-part AGFA kit that worked rather well for me, no longer in production.
Ilford used to make a XP1/XP2 process kit. Would be nice if they made it available again. I still have one full kit, but doubt it's still good after all these years. Of course CineStill Films has a kit that is suppose to process 24 rolls( I imagine that's 35mm) and it would be $35.90 shipped to my door. Trouble is I don't want to save up 20 or so rolls to process at one time. If there were a sure way I could use only half the kit at one time and save the other half from going bad I'd probably get the kit. JohnW
Ilford used to make a XP1/XP2 process kit. Would be nice if they made it available again. I still have one full kit, but doubt it's still good after all these years. Of course CineStill Films has a kit that is suppose to process 24 rolls( I imagine that's 35mm) and it would be $35.90 shipped to my door. Trouble is I don't want to save up 20 or so rolls to process at one time. If there were a sure way I could use only half the kit at one time and save the other half from going bad I'd probably get the kit. JohnW
Indeed a current C41 color developer is much easier to produce and it has a much longer storage time, in my experience.It's 30+ years since I made up my own colour developer, it was simple but worked perfectly, and it should be possible to mix a two part developer for XP2 maybe mixing Part A in Glycol.
I don't think Ilford's kit was ever sold for XP2 just XP1, I have an early XP2 data sheet in my darkroom, I'll look tomorrow.
Ian
Ian,It's 30+ years since I made up my own colour developer, it was simple but worked perfectly, and it should be possible to mix a two part developer for XP2 maybe mixing Part A in Glycol.
I don't think Ilford's kit was ever sold for XP2 just XP1, I have an early XP2 data sheet in my darkroom, I'll look tomorrow.
Ian
It is a booster to my effort to think that you are impatient, pentaxuser. As I said I ran out of funds dedicated for this particular project. Probably because, as proptly noted by other users, it does not seem worthy of being a priority. I assure you, this is going to be rather "revolutionary", and at the same time not big news, hence a need for a proper cache of images to back it up.Pixophrenic, now that some 4 months have passed since your original post, how close are you now to making a form of announcement on your process and the results of such a process? Thanks
pentaxuser
Yes, that's the main thing I liked about XP1/XP2 was the latitude. I only ran 120 XP1/XP2 and at ASA/ISO 100 to 400 with 200 being a sweet spot for me. Pretty much the only reason I was using it at the time was because I was using much older cameras, like the Kodak Medalist and those cameras from the past always seemed to have erratic shutters. XP1/XP2 helped solve the shutter speed problem rather nicely when ASA/ISO was set at 200. As to the tonality? I really liked it for static shots like buildings, machinery and landscapes, but was not usually thrilled with skin tones in portraits. They almost always looked a little lifeless and flat, but I could have been doing something wrong in that area and not have known it. For people shoots I would use Kodak Plus-X or Tri-X in Ilford IDII. I sure am interested in your idea of a two-part glycol first developer. Would you have a good place to start, chemical wise, to make up a two part developer? You can PM me if you want. And thanks again for the idea of a two-part developer since I would have never thought of it JohnWJohn, yes you can develop XP1/2 as a conventional B&W film and get excellent results however you lose many of the latitude benefits of the chromagenic dye negative and as it's more expensive than say Delta 400 or HP5 it's not really worth while.
At 100/200 EI XP1/2 are much finer grained than at 400/800 although grain is still reasonable when processed in C41 chemistry (or the old Ilford kit), and it's the latitude that many want, you'd need to adjust development times with a B&W developer.
I really noticed how much finer grained (relatively) XP1/2 were push processed compared to HP5 and also how much better tonality and shadow details were. Delta 3200 wasn't available until too late and I still preferred push processed XP2.
Ian
Thanks, Pixophrenic. The scans look fine but no better than what I have seen from full C41 or full B&W. I suppose the key question is how much scan adjustment did the shop have to do. I am not a scanner but as I understand it, scanning can compensate for a negative that otherwise might be quite difficult to print in a darkroom. Not a problem for a hybrid person but not ideal for a darkroom printer. However as these are shop scans I suppose the answer is that you do not have the negatives to show us. Ideally a digital photo of the negative might give a good indication of how a bleach bypass process copes as this is the nub of your belief, I think.
A C41 bleach bypass process saves on bleach but not on C41 developer. To overcome the problems of C41 developer cost and short shelf life, I think you are hoping to achieve a home mix of C41 developer which can be made up on the spot and only in such quantities as are needed each time. Have I got this right? If so, where are you in terms of achieving a result here and what is the cost v over-the-counter C41 developer?
If your bleach bypass process is only as good as say full C41 or B&W process then other than a saving in cost of proprietary C41 developer ( assuming there is one) I am still unsure as to what the advantages of your process are.
pentaxuser
The result of using a BW developer on this film is an adequate negative for scanning, but not ideal for printing, although not impossible to print. The caveat is the very narrow range of densities achieved in a BW developer.
Which specific BW developer are you talking about?
The result of using a BW developer on this film is an adequate negative for scanning said:Exposed at EI 100 and developed in Obsidian Aqua / Adox MQ Borax / Tetenal Ultrafin T+, I had great negatives for both scanning and enlarging. Above 200 there can be loss of shadow detail.
Radhu, let us not get distracted here. There is a thread about using BW developers with XP2. I could also add a couple of developers to your list. But in the process I am after, the film can be used at any EI originally suggested for it by Ilford, in fact EI 400 and above may give the best overall quality.
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