Another new film from Rollei - Superpan 200

JanaM · Nov 19, 2007

Hallo,

another good news for BW photography. Maco/Rollei is working on the introduction of a new, very flexible BW film. Since some weeks photgraphers can get test samples of this film in Germany. The emulsion is yet the final one, but the confectioning is still the test version. You can already see this film in their web-shop on www.macodirekt.de .

So far the following data / test results from the test samples look promising:

- high resolution film with 200 Lp/mm
- very fine grain, similar to Delta 100, T-Max 100
- 200 ASA
- excellent results with pull processing at 100 ASA in Perceptol, Rollei RLS etc.
- very good results with push processing at 400 ASA
- clear PET base, the film can be used not only as a negative film, but also as a positive film in the Agfa Scala chemistry; this film will be the official successor of the Agfa Scala 200X
- extended red sensivity, probably usable as an IR film with filters

Seems Maco intends to go further to the mass market with this film. The BW film market is very dynamic. I wouldn't be surprised if Fuji would answer Kodaks TMY-2 with a Fuji Neopan Acros 400. Fuji has the Sigma Fine Crystal technology implemented in Neopan Acros 100. A 400 speed film with the same technology and exceptional fine grain and resolution is certainly possible. Why should they leave the market of high speed/high resolution films to Kodak and Maco alone?
And it is certainly not unlikely to see improved T-Max 100 and 3200 in the future.

I think it is time for Ilford to become active and improve their Delta film programme. The competition isn't sleeping.....

Best regards,
Jana

keithwms · Nov 19, 2007

Thanks for the news.

I am still anticipating Rollei's/Maco's decision whether to keep their current IR film on the market and bring out the new one. This would be the time to do it, now that HIE is gone.

JanaM · Nov 19, 2007

keithwms said:
Thanks for the news.

I am still anticipating Rollei's/Maco's decision whether to keep their current IR film on the market and bring out the new one. This would be the time to do it, now that HIE is gone.

Hi Keith,

their current IR film will certainly stay on the market for a while. It is a very flexible film with excellent results if you use it as a normal film at 200-400 ASA, as a reversal film or as an infrared film.
At the beginning of this year Maco said that they intend to introduce an IR film with extended red sensivity to 850-900 nm. Perhaps we will see this film next year. After Kodaks decision there will be a bit more space for such a film on the market.
And I wouldn't be surprised if Efke make a IR film similar to HIE, the 'aura-effect' inclusive. At least they could make such a film with their technology. The question is, is the 'niche in the niche market' IR great enough for so many films.

We will see,
best regards,

Jana

ath · Nov 19, 2007

Hi Jana,

where can I read the tests in original?
I'm somewhat cautious regarding statements from Maco.

Fotohuis · Nov 19, 2007

I am alsmost ready with some test results with this new Rollei film. E.I. 100 till E.I. 800 is possible without to much problems.
The prototype films I have are all 35mm because the official introduction will be at the Photokina in Köln 2008.

Basic is the Agfa Scala 200 technology behind this film, further improved by Gevaert in Belgium who did also the R&D half the 90's for Agfa when they introduced their Agfa Scala 200 film.

This film is a kind of Fuji Neopan Acros 200
Rollei Super PAN 200 will replace the classical APX100/400 alias Rollei Retro 100/400 films next year when the complete stock of these films will be depleted.

Best regards,

Robert

(Dutch Rollei/Maco distributor)

Snapshot · Nov 19, 2007

This is certainly welcome news. I'm wondering if it is a conventional grain film or a T-grained film. Regardless, if it delivers superior quality, I'll be purchasing it.

JanaM · Nov 19, 2007

ath said:
Hi Jana,

where can I read the tests in original?
I'm somewhat cautious regarding statements from Maco.

Hi Andreas,

I can understand your caution regarding the Maco statements. In the past they were sometimes a bit too self-confident.... .

But I am referring to test results of a friend, who used some of the test samples. In the past I could rely on his results.
I guess this is one of Agfa-Gevaerts aerial Aviphot films, and these films are good. At least good enough for military use . On the website of the german Luftwaffe is explained how they are working with such aerial films.

I have not tested this film so far by myself, not enough time at the moment for an exact and detailed test. Perhaps in the beginning of next year.
AFAIK you can still get test samples from Maco, so if you are interested in this film, try it.

Best regards,
Jana

Henning Serger · Nov 20, 2007

ath said:
Hi Jana,

where can I read the tests in original?
I'm somewhat cautious regarding statements from Maco.

Hallo Andreas,

you know from aphog.de that Maco offered this film for testing to the aphog photographers. I have received some test samples, but I have not finished my test programme yet. I like Agfa Scala 200X, so I wonder whether the new Rollei Superpan could be a suitable successor to this unique film.

I asked Maco some questions about this film and get the following answers:
1. Will A&O continue the production of the special Agfa Scala chemistry?
Yes, production will be continued. The labs which are currently developing Agfa Scala will obtain the chemistry in the future, too.

2. My assumption was that Rollei Superpan 200 is the Agfa-Gevaert Aviphot Pan 200 (Rollei IR is Aviphot Pan 400). Therefore I asked Maco whether this is correct.
They said yes, it is the same emulsion, but on a 100 micron base. Aviphot Pan 200 for aerial purposes is on thinner 80 micron base (to get more film on the roll). Aviphot Pan 200 is the film which is used in the Tornado jets of the german airforce for surveillance and clearing (currently the mission in Afghanistan). But the Tornado equipment uses this film in 240 mm, not in 35mm width.
I can't imagine our airforce using inferior material for such sophisticated missions. For this reason I think it is realistic to expect a very good film. But nevertheless I will do my own testing.

So long,
Henning

ath · Nov 20, 2007

Thanks, Jana and Henning. This makes the film certainly more interesting.
If I had the time to test, I would have applied for it. But now I have to await the results of others.

EmilGil · Nov 27, 2007

Jana, do you think we will see this film in roll format (120)?

Too bad they only offer the film in packs of 20 rolls, it's a bit too many for me.

JanaM · Nov 27, 2007

EmilGil said:
Jana, do you think we will see this film in roll format (120)?

Too bad they only offer the film in packs of 20 rolls, it's a bit too many for me.

Hi Emil,

according to my information we will see this film in 120 format as well.
The film packs now are only for testing. Next year, when the film will be officially introduced, you can also get lower quantaties.

Regards,
Jana

Brac · Dec 4, 2007

So if this film is a development of the old Agfa Scala presumably it is a reversal film? If so, how can it be a replacement for the Rollei Retro 100 & 400 which are negative films? Or is it intended to be suitable for developing either as a positive or a negative?

Funny enough there was at one time an Agfa Superpan 200 in their consumer range in orange boxes. I remember buying a brick of 10 cassettes of 35mm, probably in the 1980's.

Aurelien · Dec 5, 2007

Don't worry. Even if it do not replace rollei retro 100 and 400, new APX 100 and 400 are in the pipeline in adox factory. So, wait and see. If we loose 2 films and win 3 it's good no?

JanaM · Dec 5, 2007

Snapshot said:
This is certainly welcome news. I'm wondering if it is a conventional grain film or a T-grained film. Regardless, if it delivers superior quality, I'll be purchasing it.

Hi,

the film has conventional cubic crystals according to Maco.

Best regards,
Jana

JanaM · Dec 5, 2007

Brac said:
Or is it intended to be suitable for developing either as a positive or a negative?

Yes, that is the case. The film has a clear PET base and can be used as a positive and a negative film. As a negative film like any other film in our known standard developers (Moersch Photochemie is designing even new developers for this film). And as a positive film in Agfa Scala chemistry or in the reversal kits from Foma or Kodak.

Best regards,
Jana

JanaM · Dec 12, 2007

Hello,

here is another test report made by Wolfgang Moersch:

http://www.aphog.de/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=214&Itemid=1

Wolfgang Moersch is one of the best fine art printers and one of the best designers of photo chemistry products worldwide ( www.moersch-photochemie.de ).

Best regards,
Jana

IloveTLRs · Dec 12, 2007

Rollei has a bunch of B&W films for sale here in Japan. It comes in these nice wooden boxes. It's about $100 a box.

No one will touch it however - the store told me that Rollei recommends Rollei developer and so no photo lab will touch it. I suppose I could always dev in D-76 or something like that, but will that give different results? I've actually been quite eager to try Rollei film.

MikeK · Dec 12, 2007

Brac said:
So if this film is a development of the old Agfa Scala presumably it is a reversal film? If so, how can it be a replacement for the Rollei Retro 100 & 400 which are negative films? Or is it intended to be suitable for developing either as a positive or a negative?

Funny enough there was at one time an Agfa Superpan 200 in their consumer range in orange boxes. I remember buying a brick of 10 cassettes of 35mm, probably in the 1980's.

You are right. I still have a couple of boxes (Orange) of 4x5 Agfapan 200 sheet film in my freezer - expired in 1985.

Mike

EmilGil · Dec 13, 2007

IloveTLRs said:
Rollei has a bunch of B&W films for sale here in Japan. It comes in these nice wooden boxes. It's about $100 a box.

No one will touch it however - the store told me that Rollei recommends Rollei developer and so no photo lab will touch it. I suppose I could always dev in D-76 or something like that, but will that give different results? I've actually been quite eager to try Rollei film.

Of course Rollei will recommend it's own developers, that way they make more money. It's just like Kodak recommending D76 over ID11.

Rollei Retro is equal to Agfa APX (but on a slightly different base) and will work fine in almost any developer; Rodinal, D76, PMK etc etc. Unfortunately, I haven't tried any of the other Rollei brand films but I doubt that they differ a lot from Maco's similar films in most cases (except for the R3).

According to Robert Vonk (FotohuisRovo), the Rollei RHS is Amaloco AM74 in a different bottle and RLS is CG-512. Click here for more details (Photo.net).

$100 for 12 rolls seems a bit stiff, you could probably get it cheaper from Europe (even including shipping). FotohuisRovo prices 12 rolls of Retro 100 120 at €33 incl. VAT (19% or so, which you can subtract if ordering from outside the EU). Macodirekt (linked above) charges €38 (incl. VAT) for 20 rolls 120 excluding the wooden box.

Edit: Corrected spelling and Rollei developer names.

JanaM · Dec 16, 2007

Data sheet

Hello,

Maco has the english data sheet of this film (= Agfa-Gevaert Aviphot Pan 200) online:

http://www.maco-photo.de/files/images/aviphot_pan200_en.pdf

Best regards,
Jana

Fotohuis · Dec 20, 2007

Here is the English translation of the Moersch - Rollei SUPER Pan 200 prof. - FINOL staining developer test:

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Best regards,

Robert

wirehead · Dec 20, 2007

So it's just repackaged aviphot aerial film, not actually a "new" film.

I mean, that's great.... I think aerial film is interesting... but it's not quite as breathlessley cool.

Fotohuis · Dec 20, 2007

Eigenschaften:

Filmbasis PET 100 Mikron
Glasklar, Lichthofschutz in der Emulsion
200 ISO plus/minus 1 Blende
Erweiterter Rotbereich bis 750nm
Verarbeitung:

Entwicklungs-Zeiten wie Rollei INFRARED Film (!)

Rollei SUPERPAN 200 PRO ist 1:1 identisch mit Agfa Aviphot Pan 200

Testbericht Rollei SUPERPAN 200 PRO

Technische Daten und Eigenschaften
DOWNLOAD PDF (engl.)
http://www.maco-photo.de/files/images/aviphot_pan200_en.pdf

Der Film wird von Agfa-Gevaert in Mortsel / Belgien produziert und von MACO in Deutschland als Rollei SUPERPAN 200 PROF abgepackt.

No doubt about that, but this film is normally NOT available in regular film formats!

best regards,

Robert

AgX · Dec 20, 2007

wirehead said:
So it's just repackaged aviphot aerial film, not actually a "new" film.

I mean, that's great.... I think aerial film is interesting... but it's not quite as breathlessley cool.

Keep in mind that any step from a tiny emulsion sample in R&D towards any production run (might it be as small in volume as possible) is a huge step.

ORWO once stated in an internal paper that even a R&D line resembling as close as possible any stages of the production line in a sort of puppet scale has only got a slight chance of yielding the same product in production scale.

Thus there are quite some costs involved in creating something new.

Yes, there are new films made in the meaning of an emulsion not being manufactured before. But the majority of `new´ films a sales house as Maco can offer in such short time will have to have some past.

But as posted before consider Maco in doing so still as very innovative.

Further keep in mind that in the industry new concepts concerning the chemistry of development are followed, which gives the term `new film´ even another aspect.

fram · Mar 30, 2008

Hello,
This is my first post here.

I have tested my first roll of Superpan this morning. Tested with several filters trying to get IR effect and I was really pleased with the R72 filter. The roll was exposed rating the film ISO 200 and processed 12min at 25ºC in Infradol. I will try to push two steps next time. See examples

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I need to shoot at ISO 800 so losing 4 stops with the filter will not force me to use the tripod in every situation.

Regards
Francisco

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