Another new film from Rollei-Film

Distagon · Jul 14, 2009

Rollei-Film is adding another new film to their film programme. It's called Redbird and seems similar to the redscale film.
So another option and alternative for photographers working in that area.

http://www.aphog.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=10222

http://www.macodirect.de/

Available in 135 and soon as SUC as well, joining the unique Rollei BW film SUC.

Venchka · Jul 14, 2009

Translate SUC please. Are you saying this is similar to Ilford's pseudo-IR film? SFX I think it's called?

arigram · Jul 14, 2009

Venchka said:
Translate SUC please. Are you saying this is similar to Ilford's pseudo-IR film? SFX I think it's called?

http://macodirect.de/rollei-redbird-13536br20-filme-p-1625.html?language=en

Redbird is the name given to a technique of shooting photographic film where the film is exposed from the wrong side, i.e the emulsion is exposed through the base of the film. The name "redscale/redbird" comes because there is a strong color shift to red due to the red-sensitive layer of the film being exposed first, rather than last (the red layer is normally the bottom layer in C-41

Inetesting...
I guess it goes well with the latest toy camera and experimental photography craze.
How is the effect different though from applying a red filter in font of the lens or with a color enlarger?

Akki14 · Jul 14, 2009

Boring.
Any colour negative film can be used for this. You just rewind the film (in the dark) the opposite way into a new canister. Nothing "new" about the film besides it's been flipped back to front.
Have done this for myself with 120 which is a bit harder to do than 35mm.

It's okay if you're photographing a village to pillage & burn and you want that "on fire" look before you do it.

AgX · Jul 14, 2009

Strangly Mr. Schroeder of Maco uses both designations (Redbird/Redscale) when introducing the new Rollei Film in Germany. The Redscale however is rated ISO 400, the Rollei Redbird ISO 100.

Heather, you are right: those films rather belong to the Lomographic world. I'm surprised to find such in the Rollei range.

Edit:

SUC most probably means single-use-camera. So Maco is going to extend this section?

aldevo · Jul 14, 2009

The way I see it...

Whatever it takes to keep the respective coating and finishing lines profitable is fine by me.

A means to end.

clayne · Jul 15, 2009

Lomo crap. Cmon, REAL film please. Stop the gimmicks.

JanaM · Jul 15, 2009

Venchka said:
Translate SUC please. Are you saying this is similar to Ilford's pseudo-IR film? SFX I think it's called?

SUC = Single Use Camera

They said that they will extend their line of SUCs, new models are coming, and one with this new Redbird film.

Jana

JanaM · Jul 15, 2009

aldevo said:
The way I see it...

Whatever it takes to keep the respective coating and finishing lines profitable is fine by me.

Yes, I think we should look at it this way.

Besides, more options, more alternatives mean the photographic medium film in general will be more attractive. And probably these "experimental films" are attractive to quite a lot of digital photographers as well. And by going this route these photographers are discovering or re-discovering film (again).
We see this trend with Low-Fidelity and Lomo photography. This market segment has growth rates of 50 % p.a.. Much more than any digital segment. And this market segment is film based.

Here are detailed explanations concerning the concept of these new films:

http://www.aphog.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=10281

For those who don't speak german, the essential facts are:

- a complete new film line with several new films will be introduced during the next months
- both color and BW films will be offered
- the films will have different characteristics
- no direct competition with Lomo films, most films are going in a new direction

And here are some picture examples, what can be done with the first new red emphasizing film (this film is indeed similar to the Lomo redscale film):

http://www.flickr.com/photos/fionao/3245679048/

Jana

Prest_400 · Jul 15, 2009

JanaM said:
Yes, I think we should look at it this way.

Besides, more options, more alternatives mean the photographic medium film in general will be more attractive. And probably these "experimental films" are attractive to quite a lot of digital photographers as well. And by going this route these photographers are discovering or re-discovering film (again).
We see this trend with Low-Fidelity and Lomo photography. This market segment has growth rates of 50 % p.a.. Much more than any digital segment. And this market segment is film based.

Jana

That's quite a high growth.
The problem of LOMOs is that it's a trend. What will happen when it gets out of fashion?

bsdunek · Jul 15, 2009

aldevo said:
The way I see it...

Whatever it takes to keep the respective coating and finishing lines profitable is fine by me.

A means to end.

I agree also. This particular film doesn't appeal to me, but some will want it and that's a good enough reason. The more successful the film manufacturers are, the longer film will be available. Looks like Win-Win!

WRSchmalfuss · Jul 15, 2009

Other brand new ROLLEI films!

The ROLLEI REDBIRD has a real sensitivity of ISO 400! Not ISO 100, as posted wrong by AgX!

The ROLLEI REDBIRD is as 35mm already available in Germany, Russia and Italy! In a few weeks, also as SUC = single use camera! Examples here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fionao/3245679048/

Again, a few weeks later, this range compliments with a 35mm CROSS-FILM.

The ROLLEI CROSSBIRD film range will also include a SUC, and also, for many perhaps surprisingly, also as roll film 120!

Cheers

JanaM · Jul 15, 2009

Prest_400 said:
That's quite a high growth.
The problem of LOMOs is that it's a trend. What will happen when it gets out of fashion?

It is not a trend. Lomography started already in the beginning of the nineties. It is an established concept for years.

We have to look at a much more widespread photographic area. I think the best name is Low-Fidelity Photography. And it is much more than Lomography, e.g. pinhole photography or photos with classic box cameras or simple folders belong to that segment, too.

Low-Fidelity Photography is established as a different way to see and to photograph. I think it is an art form of its own.

Jana

WRSchmalfuss · Jul 15, 2009

Other brand new ROLLEI films!

Hey, just found: http://www.ars-imago.com/rolleibird13536tecnicaredscale-p-8369.html?language=de

clayne · Jul 15, 2009

JanaM said:
It is not a trend. Lomography started already in the beginning of the nineties. It is an established concept for years.

We have to look at a much more widespread photographic area. I think the best name is Low-Fidelity Photography. And it is much more than Lomography, e.g. pinhole photography or photos with classic box cameras or simple folders belong to that segment, too.

Low-Fidelity Photography is established as a different way to see and to photograph. I think it is an art form of its own.

Jana

It's a trend. In 10 years the userbase will be half to a quarter of what it is, guaranteed. Almost in society these days is a trend.

aldevo · Jul 15, 2009

JanaM said:
It is not a trend. Lomography started already in the beginning of the nineties. It is an established concept for years.

We have to look at a much more widespread photographic area. I think the best name is Low-Fidelity Photography. And it is much more than Lomography, e.g. pinhole photography or photos with classic box cameras or simple folders belong to that segment, too.

Low-Fidelity Photography is established as a different way to see and to photograph. I think it is an art form of its own.

Jana

Strange, but I've always associated low-fidelity photography with digital photography.

Ektagraphic · Jul 15, 2009

Rollei is turning out some great products. They even sell a slide film! I am beginning to really like them. We need a place in the usa to sell this film.

sly · Jul 15, 2009

I used their IR film and liked it. I really liked the R3 film. They scapped it. I ordered a whack of the remaining film at a reduced price, but it turns out a bunch of it has got some kind of coating problem - a fault, in a straight line, in the same place on negative after negative. Very disappointing. A waste of money and a waste of time shooting and processing for throw aways. I get the impression Rollei is frequently offering "New!!" "Improved!!" lines, but doesn't have a commitment to consistent high quality, nor to a steady supply for those who like their products.
I won't be buying Rollei again.

Ektagraphic · Jul 15, 2009

Not to change the subject, but speaking of IR films, are there any color ones still being made or are they all black and white?

JMC1969 · Jul 16, 2009

clayne said:
It's a trend. In 10 years the userbase will be half to a quarter of what it is, guaranteed. Almost in society these days is a trend.

I don't understand what the problem is even if it is a trend. You are dealing with a generation that was born with digital. These kinds of film, along with things that have been around forever, like crossprocessing, are bringing these people back to film. Why hate it, you should be embracing it! They don't know what film is except what "daddy used to use". I work at a lab and sometimes if it weren't for the xprocess, my machine wouldn't run that day. Do you know that in the last two weeks I have had three different Non-Customers come in asking how to load their new camera? Two Mamiya 645's and a Mamiya C330, new to them, I step up and promote whatever they do. Why? Because they are helping whether you want to believe it or not. They are buying film. And they all get tired of gimmicks like everyone else, except now they have a great camera in their hands and a need to shoot "What they see" i.e. professional films and furthermore B&W they can process themselves. Digging a deeper hole and I am proud to help because all in all it's keeping it alive.

AgX · Jul 16, 2009

Ektagraphic said:
Not to change the subject, but speaking of IR films, are there any color ones still being made or are they all black and white?

At least still being offered:

http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jhtml?pq-path=2608/2609/2615/4011/4013&pq-locale=en_US

perkeleellinen · Jul 16, 2009

There's a guy in Germany cutting down Areochrome into 120 format.

WRSchmalfuss · Jul 16, 2009

Rollei Digibase CR200

The film has the original AGFA RSX II emulsion, but the ROLLEI CR200 is poured differently, on a modern synthethic film layer, not on triacetate.

The idea with the C41 development process ist great!

The ROLLEI CR200 wil be therefore delivered by the end of this months, as a cross film with the name ROLLEI CROSSBIRD!

Cheers

Ektagraphic · Jul 16, 2009

Do you know who that guy is?

lns · Jul 16, 2009

jerk151 said:
I don't understand what the problem is even if it is a trend. You are dealing with a generation that was born with digital. These kinds of film, along with things that have been around forever, like crossprocessing, are bringing these people back to film. Why hate it, you should be embracing it! They don't know what film is except what "daddy used to use". I work at a lab and sometimes if it weren't for the xprocess, my machine wouldn't run that day. Do you know that in the last two weeks I have had three different Non-Customers come in asking how to load their new camera? Two Mamiya 645's and a Mamiya C330, new to them, I step up and promote whatever they do. Why? Because they are helping whether you want to believe it or not. They are buying film. And they all get tired of gimmicks like everyone else, except now they have a great camera in their hands and a need to shoot "What they see" i.e. professional films and furthermore B&W they can process themselves. Digging a deeper hole and I am proud to help because all in all it's keeping it alive.

I am totally with you here. Let's welcome all film users.

-Laura

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