And God said....

Calamity Jane · Jul 11, 2005

What "Ten Commandments" ?

Ole · Jul 11, 2005

Marc Leest said:
I would appreciate if a moderator closes this thread, inappropiate on this forum.

It is under consideration. We would have moved it to "the lounge", but were worried that we might inadvertently be breaking one or more of the commandments by so doing. I have no idea which one(s) might be relevant, but experience tells us that it is impossible to do anything without breaking at least one. Unfortunately that also goes for doing nothing ...

BWGirl · Jul 11, 2005

Well, Art... I'd have to say that most people (myself included) at some point or another want things that do not belong to them... camera envy, darkroom jealosy... you know.

So I guess that's the most 'breakable' one. Gosh you guys.. lighten up! Art just wants to get to know us all a little better! Cripes... y'all sound like Richard Nixon on a particularly bad paranoia day!

GeneW · Jul 11, 2005

I used a Kodak film once ... I'm sure that broke someone's commandment

25asa · Jul 11, 2005

Marc Leest said:
I would appreciate if a moderator closes this thread, inappropiate on this forum.

Don't close it. DELETE IT along with a few dozen others.

Dave Wooten · Jul 11, 2005

I have a friend Terry Warburton who makes some really fine trombone mouthpieces.

Dave Wooten · Jul 11, 2005

Dave is right it is trombonist

trombone trombonist not tromboner

however it is trumpet trumpeter not trumpetist

tuba tubist not tuber

french horn french hornist not french horner

baritone baritonist

however I dont know about Euphonium? euphonomist?

and low brass out there?

Ed Sukach · Jul 11, 2005

A study of history tends to show that the less "advanced" a culture, the more complicated its religions.

I have two commandments... I have but one God (could have a few - or many - attributes/ and or "parts" i.e. "Father, Son and Holy Ghost - or "Anu-Danu-Tailtiu"; or the Creator may have many assistants ... Angels, Saints, Spirits .. whatever ... but I'm trying to keep this simple)... Altogether, only ONE.

And I will love my fellow wo/man as myself.

Do I "break" these ... in all honesty, not intentionally ... does unintentionally count against anyone ...?

This may be of interest .... By the way ... This DOES relate to photography ... I've been reading about Minor White's fascination with the study of religions, and I've been trying to visualize the effects of those studies on his work.

"Once you begin to become blue - i.e., once you start letting go of your surface self, awakening as the Blue Woad Self that you are - an experience of illumination may occasionally overtake you in which you are your self and yet you are out-of-yourself. This is the state in which one communicates with the Divine Milieu without names; beyond the need for myths and rituals. This is a (does anyone recognize the religion here?) experience of self-transcendence; it is complementary to to the experience of "union with God" in monotheistic religions and is perhaps parallel to the experience of nirvana in Buddhism, though it begins in a different world and is structured and inspired by different poetics.
If you taste of this union, you will never be quite the same. I have found that the deepest consequences of it include (1) a sense of tolerance to people with other beliefs, (2) a release from existential angst, frustration and self-doubt, and (3) an openness to truth wherever it may be discerned."

That is what I am trying for - to become "Blue" in that sense.

blansky · Jul 11, 2005

Since all religions originate within ourselves, through the ages they all tend to have "altered states' of consciousness that people tried to aspire to. The higher the religion the more gentle and advanced the people became but sadly were generally over run and conquered by people not so gentle and evolved.

Somehow a little different that "please Jesus help me win this football game"

Oh well.

Michael

jovo · Jul 11, 2005

I think about 8 of these are considered to now be 'suggestions' by many in contemporary western society. I wonder if even a booming voice from on high would just be regarded as the aural equivalent of 'Photoshop'...a neat trick but not to be taken too seriously.

Louis Nargi · Jul 11, 2005

blansky said:
Have you ever noticed that God only seems to talk to people that are insane.

Michael

No.

gr82bart · Jul 11, 2005

I too find it funny that people don't see how their religion (or breakage thereof), their family, their values, their schooling, their friends, their jobs, etc... "don't have anything to do with photography". Of course it does. It's the cumulation of their life experiences that contributes to what they like or not like to photograph. I think asking this question, even in jest and more likely due to a lack of life (truth be told), is valid on this PHOTOGRAPHY forum.

OK enough seriousness.

Art.

Rock Poper · Jul 12, 2005

thou shalt not Kill - '4'

dinner I'm assuming ?

roteague · Jul 12, 2005

I agree with Art. To say that religion has no place in photography is an overly generalized statement - it matters to some, and not to others. In my case, it guides me; my desire is to show the beauty of God's natural creation. Those who have no interest, should feel free to ignore the subject, as we all should do when faced with things we have no interest in (for me that is sports).

Andy K · Jul 12, 2005

Something to think about.
Religion is, and always has been, man's way to give explanation to that he has no understanding of. The oldest religions worshipped Gods pertaining to the things mankind needed to survive:, wind, rain, sun, earth, trees, plants, animals etc. as these were seen to provide sustenance.
As man advanced so those religions changed. He understood how to grow crops and farm animals, these things were no longer 'mysteries', so he worshipped the things he had no control of: the sun, the moon, thunder, lightning, rain, wind, fire, water, air and earth.
Eventually he began to understand the cycle of these things and to put those cycles to his own use. He planted/harvested crops at the right time, he moved his animals to better pastures in winter/summer, he hunted when the migrations were favourable.
He now had a far greater understanding of the world around him, and near complete control of all he needed to live.
What was left to worship? There was only one thing left to worship. The only thing that had mastery of the world about him. Himself. And so man crated religions which worship a God in the image of man, for example: Christianity, Islam, Judaism.
Things are now moving again. We have understanding of so much, we have so much knowledge, and access to it, that religions are now springing up which worship that knowledge and the technology which helps us achieve that knowledge, for example: Scientology.
As mankind evolves, so does his 'religion' in order to match that evolution.

anyte · Jul 12, 2005

I'm not Christian so the "commandments" do not apply to me and therefore cannot be broken by me, but for the sake of "fun" I answered as though I were a Christian. Judging from how I answered, I wouldn't make a very good Christian. I guess it's a darn good thing for me that I'm not.

jimgalli · Jul 12, 2005

Let's see, I've wasted several minutes of time that my employer has paid me for while I read this. That would be #8 I think. Where is You shall not lie? My employer thinks I'm diligently working in his behalf so that's lieing. Actually depending on interpretation added in the New Testament I've broken them all. More importantly though, how many of them have I been forgiven? Also all.

Dave Wooten · Jul 12, 2005

The 10 commandments were / are Judaic? Received by Moses on Mt Sinai...long before the birth of Jesus Christ or the establishment of Christianity......Christ, a Jew, added an eleventh, "That you love one another...."

It is interesting that they, the commandments, parallel in many philosphies and religious doctrines......is there a lineage from the Summarians and Mesopotamians, the Egyptians to Judaism to etc. ? Don't know, I m not that smart of a guy...just wondered

joeyk49 · Jul 12, 2005

Is hanging out for long periods, in the APUG threads sloth or gluttony???

Oh, wait, those are deadly sins...

So, which is worse; dealy sins or breaking a commandment?

Sometimes I don't know which rule I'm breaking! Except, maybe, when the IRS sends me a nicely worded reminder...

Or when the meter maid leaves that thoughful card on my windshield...

MurrayMinchin · Jul 12, 2005

A friend of mine picked up this little nugget from going to a Catholic elementary school; "It's better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission". Eegad!!

Murray

modafoto · Jul 13, 2005

Thou shalt have no other developers before me...

Monophoto · Jul 13, 2005

MurrayMinchin said:
A friend of mine picked up this little nugget from going to a Catholic elementary school; "It's better to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission". Eegad!!

Murray

Obviously, Murray has never worked for a major corporation. In that context, this old bromide is the only way to get anything done.

gr82bart · Jul 13, 2005

What I'd like to know is who are the 4 killers? Eek!

Art.

modafoto · Jul 14, 2005

roteague said:
To say that religion has no place in photography is an overly generalized statement.

Yes it is. I am an atheist (apart from the pseudoreligious COR) but put religion into my photographs all the time. I like using crosses (both normally positioned and inverted) and other religious symbols to give some sort of mystery to the shots.
Furthermore I like shooting churches.

Andy K · Jul 14, 2005

gr82bart said:
What I'd like to know is who are the 4 killers? Eek!

Art.

I am one of the four. In fact just last week I killed a hedgehog while driving.

And God said....

OK which one of the 10 commandments have YOU broken?

Thou shalt have no other gods before me

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy

Honour thy father and thy mother

Thou shalt not kill

Thou shalt not commit adultery

Thou shalt not steal

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor

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And God said....

OK which one of the 10 commandments have YOU broken?

Thou shalt have no other gods before me

Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above

Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy

Honour thy father and thy mother

Thou shalt not kill

Thou shalt not commit adultery

Thou shalt not steal

Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour

Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor

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